Barrys nominee calls Pro Life Supporters..TERRORIST

[chefdennis]

My grandma always pounded into my head that the people that you surround yourself with tells alot about you.....i guess this is just ine more "nail in the coffin" for barry....I know I have made the DHS that i am a "right wing terrorist", by their definition ....i guess there are a few here that now fit that identity also....Hiya "Joe!"

Obama TSA Nominee Erroll Southers Calls Pro-Life Advocates Terrorists in Video

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Obama TSA Nominee Erroll Southers Calls Pro-Life Advocates Terrorists in Video

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- President Barack Obama's nominee to head the agency charged with keeping American travelers safe from terrorism thinks pro-life advocates are terrorists. A new video shows Transportation Security Administration nominee Erroll Southers including pro-life advocates in a list of terrorist groups.

The new video from 2008 shows Southers responding to a documentary-style interview question about terrorist organizations.

The documentary asked Southers, "Which home-grown terrorist groups pose the greatest danger to the U.S."

Southers explained, "Most of the domestic groups that we pay attention to here are white supremacist groups. They're anti-government, in most cases anti-abortion, they are usually survivalist type in nature, identity oriented."

"Those groups are groups that claim to be extremely anti-government and Christian identity oriented," he continues.

Sen. Jim DeMint, a South Carolina Republican, has put a hold on the nomination of Southers to head the TSA, and the new video is likely to expand opposition to his nomination.

Erick Erickson of the Red State blog posted a response to the video blasting Southers for his targeting of pro-life advocates and Christians as terrorists.

He said there is "new and far more troubling information about Mr. Southers caught on video. According to Erroll Southers, pro-life Christians and our support of Jews is a bigger threat to national security than Al Qaeda."

"Southers, in 2008, said he was more worried about 'Christian identity' terrorist groups inside the U.S. than Islamic terrorists. What are 'Christian identity' terrorist groups? White-supremacists naturally. The KKK. And the Southern Baptist Convention," Erickson added. "Southers identifies pro-life groups and anti-government activists as particular problems."

Erickson also applauds DeMint for stopping the nomination.

"Had [he] not put a hold on the nomination of Erroll Southers to be the head of TSA, he might have been confirmed by the Senate without any serious digging into his background," he said.
The Obama administration has twice come under fire for linking pro-life advocates to terrorism.

Last May, details emerged about a terrorism dictionary the Obama administration put together in March. The "Domestic Extremism Lexicon," was essentially a terrorism and political extremism dictionary for the Obama administration's internal use.

The March 26, 2009 document features numerous definitions and the headline "antiabortion extremism," appears on page two of the eleven-page manual.

The Obama administration calls pro-life advocates violent and claims they employ racist overtones in engaging in criminal actions.

The definition reads: "A movement of groups or individuals who are virulently antiabortion and advocate violence against providers of abortion-related services, their employees, and their facilities. Some cite various racist and anti-Semitic beliefs to justify their criminal activities."

That followed a report the Department of Homeland Security sent out saying pro-life advocates were right-wing extremists.

In that document, the Department of Homeland Security warned law officials about a supposed rise in "rightwing extremist activity," saying the poor economy and presence of a black president could spark problems.

According to the Washington Times, a footnote attached to the nine-page report from the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis say the activities of pro-life advocates is included in "rightwing extremism in the United States.”

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning said.

Terrorism: Click the below link (which home etc.)
Which home-grown terrorist groups pose the greatest danger to the US?

Posted by World Watch at 2:31 PM

[Moot]

Some pro-lifers are terrorists. If you kill doctors who perform abortions and fire bomb abortion clinics then the label fits. Same goes for people that trash and bomb animal research centers and former Weathermen who had a thing for bombing buildings and killing people.

I wish the TSA would add persons who wear underwear bombs and board planes to the terrorist list.

[cheri1122]

Excellent example of misquoting, taking out of context, and generally twisting facts.
The question to which Mr Southers replied was specific to "home grown terrorists", thus removing AlQaida [sp?] from contention.
The reply specified antiabortionists "who advocate violence", especially those affiliated with 'white supremacy groups', NOT any and all antiabortion protesters.
Those particular individuals certainly qualify as terrorists in my book, having a tendency to bomb and/or kill those they disagree with.

[OntarioVanMan]

Good point out Cheri...and they say liberals distort the facts...hahaha....they are all the same...

[greg334]

This isn't misquoted - "Most of the domestic groups that we pay attention to here are white supremacist groups. They're anti-government, in most cases anti-abortion, they are usually survivalist type in nature, identity oriented."

I heard the entire video, and it ignores a lot.

What this means to me is the political pandering of the person who is supposed to protect our interest who has an agenda that reaches far beyond what is acceptable.

His position as former California's DHS director means he discounts more violent groups like the Latino groups who are openly defiant of not just the LEOs of California but everyone, while at the same time ignoring the black sepratist movement and the people in those groups who support Obama and his agenda.

The message is clear, this guy isn't the one who should head the TSA.

[cheri1122]

This isn't misquoted - "Most of the domestic groups that we pay attention to here are white supremacist groups. They're anti-government, in most cases anti-abortion, they are usually survivalist type in nature, identity oriented."
As the reaction [and the title of this thread] ignore the white supremacist, anti government, and survivalist qualifiers to focus solely on the 'pro life' issue, it certainly IS misquoted.

I heard the entire video, and it ignores a lot.

What this means to me is the political pandering of the person who is supposed to protect our interest who has an agenda that reaches far beyond what is acceptable.

His position as former California's DHS director means he discounts more violent groups like the Latino groups who are openly defiant of not just the LEOs of California but everyone, while at the same time ignoring the black sepratist movement and the people in those groups who support Obama and his agenda.

The message is clear, this guy isn't the one who should head the TSA.

You may be right - but a smear campaign only diminishes the credibility of those who participate.

[OntarioVanMan]

This isn't misquoted - "Most of the domestic groups that we pay attention to here are white supremacist groups. They're anti-government, in most cases anti-abortion, they are usually survivalist type in nature, identity oriented."

I heard the entire video, and it ignores a lot.

What this means to me is the political pandering of the person who is supposed to protect our interest who has an agenda that reaches far beyond what is acceptable.

Then yours is only opinion and supposition on your part

His position as former California's DHS director means he discounts more violent groups like the Latino groups who are openly defiant of not just the LEOs of California but everyone, while at the same time ignoring the black sepratist movement and the people in those groups who support Obama and his agenda.

How did you inject what his positions means?
And we should take your interruptation as fact?

The message is clear, this guy isn't the one who should head the TSA.

Even you put a lot of your own meanings into your response...with "he means this"..and "what it means to me"...

[greg334]

The pro-life issue was mentioned, as was Christians as a source of domestic terrorism. There are no real legitimate way of looking at this point of view outside of the agenda according to some in congress and in the administration - they are the only one's who can be right about it.

How many cases of abortion clinic bombings have we had or doctor killings compared to gang related terror? I don't hear clinics being blown up, or did I miss something here?

I think someone should remind this guy that under his watch Mara Salvatrucha (a.k.a. MS13) grew and California insituted a number of reforms that ignored some of the gang related issues within their prison system - something that he could have had a hand in solving. With California being pro-invader, the crime along the border has come to a point that we have more kidnappings and killings than ever before - isn't this a thing that can be construed as domestic terrorism?

Smear campaign? Well it isn't the case when the left and some within the civil rights community go on their cursades to smear people who say the wrong word or try to practice their freedoms? or is that a different standard altogether?

The other thing about this guy is he supports a Union for the TSA which should never even be considered. How would it feel to know that the TSA can go on strike or the workers who beat someone at the airport can't be fired?

[cheri1122]

According to a memo produced by the FBI's Terrorist Research and Analytical Center in 1994, domestic terrorism was defined as "the unlawful use of force or violence, committed by a group(s) of two or more individuals, against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
Antiabortionists who "advocate violence" fit the bill - MS 13 does not, as they are furthering no political or social objectives.
LEOs, firefighters, and airline captains are union members, so what's the point?

[witness23]

If you want to argue the fact that this guy want's to unionize the TSA (which I do not know what his take is on that) that would be a legitamate concern but the original post and the person that posted it and the article in which the very first sentance says, "pro-life advocates are terrorists" is very irresponsible, it is hogwash and you know it.

[greg334]

Cheri,
You need to learn more about gangs and their agendas, especially the some of the more openly violent gangs.

The memo is outdated and terrorism seems to be redefined again by politicians with this new administration. Ther last time I read the definition - it didn't include civilians but only the government.

The idea that some of the gangs don't use force or violence against people to intimidate or coerce them in furthering their social agenda seems to be a bit off.

I don't see the "White Supremacist" groups or the far right Christian groups for that matter going around killing people as much as I don't see the threat of these groups to anyone except the government - which is the focus of every report I have read.

However the opposite is true, intercity gangs are operating to terrorize and control whole populations, from small neighborhoods to whole cities. Phoenix seems to be a good example of what can happen when well funded gangs run a city, they claimed in 2008 the title of the kidnapping capital of the country, second to Mexico City and most of that crime is related to drug gangs (MS13 by any chance?) operating on both side of the border and throughout California and the other South West states.

What's the difference between MS13 and a few other gangs (not just Latino but Irish and others) who are well funded, well organized and has international connections and the groups like those in the Middle East and in Asia?

There isn't any difference.

Isn't border issues also a state issue?

Wouldn't the California's head of their DHS be concern about the border and gangs within his borders and make this the number one issue?

Domestic Terrorism?

Yep.

[LDB]

Have to agree with the street gangs having both political and social agendas. Perhaps not the same "politics" as we're used to but still their own political/social structure in the gang and their territory. I'd also submit the random violence of the gangs is more terroristic than the supremacist groups. One doesn't have too much to fear from a supremacist group unless one is a member of the government or a baby killer. Gangs on the other hand are potentially dangerous to every living being in their territory, not just the baby killers, hence more of a terror threat to everyone.

[layoutshooter]

I think think things sorta break even here. It is my belief that any scuzball that would just kill an unborn baby,for no valid reason, is a terrorist. I find it amazing that the same slimebags that spit on me while I was in uniform, called me a baby killer, are now all grown up and many of those same people either do kill babies or support killing babies. Unlike those baby killers though, I would not kill them, I can wait for them to die and let God take care of them.

[jaminjim]

I think think things sorta break even here. It is my belief that any scuzball that would just kill an unborn baby,for no valid reason, is a terrorist. I find it amazing that the same slimebags that spit on me while I was in uniform, called me a baby killer, are now all grown up and many of those same people either do kill babies or support killing babies. Unlike those baby killers though, I would not kill them, I can wait for them to die and let God take care of them.

Guess I must have been lucky, I never had anyone ever come close to spitting on me. It sure wasn't my imposing size, pretty much average size and weight. Maybe it was just my chiseled good looks

[layoutshooter]

Well, I was very skinny at the time, 5' 10" and 130lbs. That might have been part of it. I was handsome beyond belief in those days!! At least I did not end up at the bottom of an elevator shaft like 2 navy guys did while I was stationed in Boston. Some "peaceniks" killed them to stop the war.