And Barry will TALK

[OntarioVanMan]

As was said in The Day the World Stood Still...

Man MUST learn to get over their petty differences. Or there will never be peace...

As Captain Kirk said..Humans kill humans, we are a war like civilization...
We Have to learn to say, We will not kill today and take it day by day

[layoutshooter]

Let's see, I think it was the Prime Minister prior to Churchill that had a policy of appeasment. THAT did not work and millions died under the Axis powers. The world stood by, in the name of peace and allowed the Soviets to kill millions. The world stood by, more peace, and allowed China to kill and continue to kill millions. Same with North Korea, Iran, Cuba etc, etc, etc.

Your right, OVM, let's just say no more killing. That would fix it.

[OntarioVanMan]

Let's see, I think it was the Prime Minister prior to Churchill that had a policy of appeasment. THAT did not work and millions died under the Axis powers. The world stood by, in the name of peace and allowed the Soviets to kill millions. The world stood by, more peace, and allowed China to kill and continue to kill millions. Same with North Korea, Iran, Cuba etc, etc, etc.

Your right, OVM, let's just say no more killing. That would fix it.

That IF everyone agreed Joe...but that ain't likely to happen any time soon...

Some how the idea of a universal cop as in a Gort appeals to me....

[chefdennis]

people talk about peace and no wars and "working together for the better good of man and they dream....they say dreams make the world go around....not too sure they have stopped any wars....nor will they anytime soon....

[layoutshooter]

Just let the Layoutshooter handle it, this stupid stuff would end. Movies and Star Trek are not real. What we need is consistency.
We have not that in our country in my lifetime. Too many silly people singing Kumbia running the Country. Total peace is the goal, the dream. It is to be worked towards. Peace, however, not just the absence of a shooting war. Peace will only be attained when evil is destroyed and People are left to live as they please. Don't count on it in our lifetime. Shoot, don't even count on it here, we are not going to be left alone to live our lives as we please, no peace here either. Evil rules.

[RLENT]

War is about power and as long as man inhabits the planet there will be wars ... its just the way it is ....

Wow ..... what a rather sad and apathetic point of view ....

Of course, it's also a "no-personal-responsibility" viewpoint ..... (if that's "just the way it is", then it means nothing can be done about it, therefore one does not have to take any responsibility for it, because obviously it is totally out of one's control ...... )

[mjolnir131]

The EO Soapbox "Most Utterly Retarded Statement Of The Week"

I could never achieve your daily level of performance in this regard,but thank you for trying to share.

2. Rational thought might not be one of your strong suits.

Something you appear to have never been guilty of, probably the poor public education your proud of

Had a wise English teacher fess up in class one day and told us once we get past school unless your a writer talking to your editor or possibly your boss at work. Outside of those to exception anybody who corrects spelling and English in public is in fact trying to cover for there lack of understanding, your posts appear to a prime example of his statement, you can't refute the message so go after the messenger

What size? well most certainly more than live in Luxembourg so bigger than a small nation,unless you live in a convenient special place like yourself where the V.F.D. has a couple million volunteers.

Where do you see only two options when i clearly give 3 Attack, don't attack and wait to attack. thats it as much as you and half the elite really want it to be more, but there are only 3. there truly is allot less grey in the world than people want to believe.

As for the free trip been there done that, It's why i know what really gets people killed and what doesn't. So easy to be a coward err ..pasifist when you have the strong to protect you(don't bother replying "i never asked for protection" your logic and common sense have already been found wanting, think getting out of the rain)

So we have one group of people that hates us...so whats new about that...many countries hate us but few want to actually kill us...

Heck the Turks hate the Greeks, The Brits hate the Irish, The Spaniards hate the French.

If we didn't give the fanatics a target there would be no killing...

Way back when, if we'd of backed the Arabs instead of the Jews..would we have this Middle East mess?

Oh this goes way past the usually hatred of one country by the next.

We just couldn't keep our nose out of other peoples business.

Oh yes this has worked so well in the past.

Hitler made sure there would be no peace in the Mideast when he used extremist Muslins in the SS, Germany left allot of the mess we have there now. Our elite appear to forget that Jordan snatched Palestine's land not Israel. But that is what being elite is living in a convent world like that.

Because having an empire has become such a bad word we do not try and control anything,Empire form, grow then fall apart while doing so let areas that are not ready to take car of them self grow and learn in a safe environment then the empire falls apart leaving several stronger country's in it's wake British empire prime example(India,USA,Canada etc etc)and in the world today there are quite a few nation incapable of managing there affairs.

Very good Layout you see how cause and effect works unlike the elite

[RLENT]

Just let the Layoutshooter handle it, this stupid stuff would end.

Sorry - your crowd has already had their shot - and they made a total mess of it.

What the past and present political establishment and Dulles and his successors in the so-called intelligence community have wrought throughout the world are a very large part of why we are hated.

These jokers were criminals of the worst order - folks of this ilk should be rounded up and put where they can't harm others (save for each other), once the evidence of their ill intentions towards their fellow man becomes evident.

[OntarioVanMan]

Sorry - your crowd has already had their shot - and they made a total mess of it.

What the past and present political establishment and Dulles and his successors in the so-called intelligence community have wrought throughout the world are a very large part of why we are hated.

These jokers were criminals of the worst order - folks of this ilk should be rounded up and put where they can't harm others (save for each other), once the evidence of their ill intentions towards their fellow man becomes evident.

Boy did they ever mess it up...

[layoutshooter]

Evil was not invented by mankind. It is silly to think so. Mankind is just the conduit for evil to be released. It can, however, be stopped, if mankind ever chooses to abandon it. Religion, countries etc, have nothing to do with it. Those are just the outlets and the excuses for the acceptance of evil.

I bet you guys had no idea that I could think such profound thoughts, did you?

[RLENT]

Something you appear to have never been guilty of, probably the poor public education your proud of

Well, actually I went to school a number of different places .... public, in addition to private ..... but this was one of them - it's the sort of place that requires passing a test to get into:

WRA

Considering the alumni, methinks I'm in fairly decent company there .... but thanks for your concern.

[chefdennis]

Rlent wrote:

Wow ..... what a rather sad and apathetic point of view ....

Of course, it's also a "no-personal-responsibility" viewpoint ..... (if that's "just the way it is", then it means nothing can be done about it, therefore one does not have to take any responsibility for it, because obviously it is totally out of one's control ...... )

you missed my point......I am more then OK with it......as for not taking responsibility... my time in the military serves as fulfilling my responsibility as my sons have and one still is....oh he even signed up with a "military contractor"... so he could "take more responsibility and get paid for what he is trained to do, kill people and destory things......one might say its in the blood.....

[mjolnir131]

Well, actually I went to school a number of different places .... public, in addition to private ..... but this was one of them - it's the sort of place that requires passing a test to get into:

WRA

Considering the alumni, methinks I'm in fairly decent company there .... but thanks for your concern.

I hate to break the news but most of your private schooling teachers are a product of a public education so you or your parents over paid for the same garbage everybody else gets,my condolences. I guess you don't realize that the worlds educational elites have evolved into being neither well educated nor elite.

[mjolnir131]

Sorry - your crowd has already had their shot - and they made a total mess of it.

To be honest the pacifist ideology has ran rampant for over 40 year and we are in a much worse situation for it.

People disdain those who are successful and probably always will that more than anything else is why America is hated there are some huge and complex interaction going on but mostly it boils down to sour grapes, i would say 80% of the time America gets dinged for inappropriate action the county calling us out is doing the same thing or worse,and we let them do it.

[mjolnir131]

Evil was not invented by mankind. It is silly to think so. Mankind is just the conduit for evil to be released. It can, however, be stopped, if mankind ever chooses to abandon it. Religion, countries etc, have nothing to do with it. Those are just the outlets and the excuses for the acceptance of evil.

I bet you guys had no idea that I could think such profound thoughts, did you?

I'm not so much a subscriber to good and evil ...order and chaos yes not so much for that good evil dogma.