And Barry will TALK

[mjolnir131]

Weeee-O ...... now there's a thought ... all while "keeping us safe", no doubt (by introducing more chaos and conflict ...... and thereby creating a more dangerous environment .... )

yea i know it's hard to believe,but there are large groups out there that want 75-80% of the world dead just because they don't have the same religion,it's just a matter of where on there top ten list your at as to whom they kill today.

Their are basically to course of action that you can take,the peace at all cost road which is do nothing and maybe even try to appease them for a time,there by giving them more time to get bigger and stronger and figure out just how they can kill more of the people on there list(read most of the rest of the planet)

or ...

You grow up and realize they already want us dead because, we are, well breathing ,A godless hoard breathing the pure air given to them by Allah.Outside of joining there religion there is nothing you or anybody can do yo change there minds,heck there are even Muslims on there list of people to kill because they have lost the way and are not wholesome enough so even converting is no guarantee .so really your left with one choice total liquidation of the problem it's a horrible solution but really the only choice left to us.

you try mixing the two as we will do and you give them time to figure out how to kill more so being a pacifist ends up costing more lives than it saves(as this course of action always has done)

[RLENT]

but there are large groups out there that want 75-80% of the world dead

Large groups ?

Large ..... as compared to what ?

The entirety of humanity ?

A continent ?

A small country ?

A population of a fair sized city ?

Maybe your local volunteer fire department ?

Interestingly, after reviewing your complete statement, I am having trouble escaping from the thought that you might be one of them (the part that wants a substantial portion of humanity dead)

Their are basically to course of action that you can take,

The fact that you can only conceive that there are two courses of action even possible immediately tells us the following:

1. When it comes to making a choice between expediting, or going into matters of statecraft, diplomacy, and national security ... you probably better not quit the day job.

2. Rational thought might not be one of your strong suits.

3. Multiple question tests, with more than two (that's 2, not "to") possible answers may pose difficulties and cause confusion in your particular case.

..... so really your left with one choice: total liquidation of the problem - it's a horrible solution but really the only choice left to us.

Congratulations ..... in light of your statements an emergency, early voting session was held and the vote is in - it was determined by the judges that by this one statement alone, you have succeeded in winning:

The EO Soapbox "Most Utterly Retarded Statement Of The Week"

You are the first person ever to have caused a deviation from our normal procedures resulting in an early vote and selection.

It isn't highly likely that anyone will be able exceed the level of sheer lunacy that you have managed to display ... but then this is The EO Soapbox™ ... and the fine inhabitants have managed to fool our select panel of judges before .... so ya never know .....

Of course, the judges reserve the right to cancel the award at any time and award it to someone else, should someone else lower themselves to the occasion.

Uttering such a statement truly ranks you right down there with other similar advocates of "Only One (Final ?) Solutions" like Adolph Hilter, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan, and no doubt numerous others of similar fine character.

BTW, you are now in a very good position to secure the coveted:

EO Soapbox "Most Utterly Retarded Statement Of The Year"

The standard notice sent out to all who are in contention reads, in part, as follows:

"Congratulations Contender - you indeed are in the running - outstanding job !

We'll keep you informed of how the yearly contest is shaping up as things progress in the next week or two and inform you if you should consider renting a fresh pair of bib overalls and underwear (as well as foregoing normal tradition and taking the yearly shower a wee bit little early, before the spring thaw arrives) for the formal presentation.

Best of luck.

PS: Did I mention that the Grand Prize is a paid ticket to an exotic foreign land (unspecified) where you will have the opportunity and honor to present a lecture entitled "New Directions In Nazism: Where Adolph Went Wrong ...." and discuss your visions of "International Diplomacy: Better Relations Between Peoples Through Mass Death and Destruction" with the local population (that is, if they don't do us all a favor and literally tear you to shreds before you get the opportunity ..... )"

BTW, just an aside to anyone that might complain about English being the official language of this hear country and how it oughta be spoaken by awl, particularly them fu-rain-eruz, then one might at least want to lurn it and avoid totally butchering it (unless you are doing so intentionally, just to make a point):

When referring to the number 2, it's two (not "to")

And when needing to use the word there, make sure to use it and definitely not "their" (which is the possessive form of they)

[Darmstadter]

You left one out RLENT --"where on there top ten list your at as to whom they kill today"----your should be you're

You may have left that one out intentionally though. Some people might have thought it a bit overkill.

[OntarioVanMan]

So we have one group of people that hates us...so whats new about that...many countries hate us but few want to actually kill us...

Heck the Turks hate the Greeks, The Brits hate the Irish, The Spaniards hate the French.

If we didn't give the fanatics a target there would be no killing...

Way back when, if we'd of backed the Arabs instead of the Jews..would we have this Middle East mess?

[RLENT]

You left one out RLENT --"where on there top ten list your at as to whom they kill today"----your should be you're

Good eye

You may have left that one out intentionally though. Some people might have thought it a bit overkill.

Well since everyone on here knows that I am the model of understatement and self-restraint when it comes to speaking my mind, I didn't want to crush the illusion .....

[Tennesseahawk]

When are you talking about, OVM? The Crusades? If you remember correctly, the Iranians started things with their damm revolution. Khomenhi became a martyr overnight. Terrorism became a way of life throughout the Mid East.

No... if we had cahones like the Russians, we would not be having this problem. Notice the radicals don't mess with them? Flat out, they respect those who fight back. We don't. There's our problem. They are akin to schoolyard bullies who will keep taking lunch money till someone pops em in the nose. We keep running to the teacher.

[RLENT]

If we didn't give the fanatics a target there would be no killing...

Omigosh !

That almost sounds suspiciously like asking the question:

"What is it that we are activitely doing to make them hate us ?"

Please, please say that it ain't so OVM - that that is not where you're going with this ?

I mean, what level of responsibility would that require - to actually look at one's own conduct as the reason for the feelings or actions of another ?

[hdxpedx]

When are you talking about, OVM? The Crusades? If you remember correctly, the Iranians started things with their damm revolution. Khomenhi became a martyr overnight. Terrorism became a way of life throughout the Mid East.

No... if we had cahones like the Russians, we would not be having this problem. Notice the radicals don't mess with them? Flat out, they respect those who fight back. We don't. There's our problem. They are akin to schoolyard bullies who will keep taking lunch money till someone pops em in the nose. We keep running to the teacher.

Barry can turn IRAN into a revolution against IjustWANTaJIHAD by just supporting those inside who are being rounded up daily- BUT it's going to take a PALIN with a spine-- once spine-less barry blocks gas going to Iran-WE will ALL feel that one and I believe that's his agenda! "NEVER LET A CRISIS go to WASTE!!

[OntarioVanMan]

Omigosh !

That almost sounds suspiciously like asking the question:

"What is it that we are activitely doing to make them hate us ?"

Please, please say that it ain't so OVM - that that is not where you're going with this ?

I mean, what level of responsibility would that require - to actually look at one's own conduct as the reason for the actions of another ?

Well for one thing Russia never tried to infer their way of life on the Middle East...They kept their nose out.

Many, Many years of US failed foreign policy of wanting to CONTROL every aspect of the world under the auspices of protecting OUR freedom to justify the interference. WE started this by the very same foreign policies of many past administrations....It is a people fighting back from US control using Religious fanatics to do so....We just couldn't keep our nose out of other peoples business.

[RLENT]

When are you talking about, OVM? The Crusades? If you remember correctly, the Iranians started things with their damm revolution.

Zat a fact ?

Izat how it went ?

Might wanna read this:

Electronic Briefing Book: The Secret CIA History of the Iran Coup

(The above page contains links to copies of the actual declassified CIA documents for "Operation AJAX".)

While you are reading that you might want to keep in mind that what we are talking about is a coup against a popularly elected leader of a nation - a man who was an Iranian Constitutionalist

Brought to you exclusively by the retards and morons in our country's political leadership and the national intelligence establishment (oxymoron if ever there was one) .... largely over the fact that the local inhabitants (IOW, the owners) didn't like the fact they were being raped of their country's mineral wealth (I have heard that most that are raped tend not to enjoy it ...)

One can only imagine what might have been .....

If this were done to the US it would be the equivalent of a foreign power perpetrating a coup against say perhaps Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, or George Washington. How would you view that ?

To get a brief overview of the man:

Mohammad Mosaddegh

.... although I am sure there are more scholarly texts available.

While you are at it you might want to read this as well:

Iranian Constitutional Revolution

and then read this:

Anglo-Persian Oil Company

They are akin to schoolyard bullies who will keep taking lunch money till someone pops em in the nose. We keep running to the teacher.

Yeah ... well, then if they are bullies, the real question, in light of the above (our subverting another government) is:

What does that make us ?

Somewhat worse than a mere bully I would think ..... the term "terrorist state" immediately comes to mind .....

[RLENT]

We just couldn't keep our nose out of other peoples business.

Yeah .... pretty much ..... and you see it here, on EO, in the SoapBox and elsewhere, on a daily basis ......

Everything from the fascination who Tiger or Britney is doing today .... to individuals proposing that cargo vans drivers ought to be more regulated (because "personal responsibility has failed", and because certain people "know best" what's good for others ... you literally couldn't make it up .. )

We are a nation of busy-body's .....

[OntarioVanMan]

I am feeling like I am NOT going to be a good American. Guess I'll never be a citizen...

Because I don't see us as perfect and all the worlds problems were started because of someone else and WE swoop in and be the hero and save the world and set-up a Coca Cola factory there and whip a little American industry on them...and make everything ok.

WHY..do these people hate us so much? Why?

Why not Denmark? Switzerland? Norway? Holland? Irish?

Do you think it is something we did or said?

Maybe they just picked our country out of a box of Cracker Jacks

[RLENT]

I am feeling like I am NOT going to be a good American ..... Because I don't see us as perfect ......

You sir, may well be the best US Citizen that there ever could possibly be ..... you, in fact, may be our only hope ....

If this country is to survive at all into the future (I have my doubts) it will take a populace that at least is willing to look and then recognize the sins of the past, ignoring all the chest-thumbing nationalistic propaganda ..... and then accept responsibility, by doing something about it.

[chefdennis]

War is about power and as long as man inhabits the planet there will be wars...its just the way it is ....fact is most of the corrupt world leaders WE had a hand in putting in office , its when they no longer serve our purpose that WE decide to take them out...are we right in most of those cases? Whats right? Morally right? right for or economy? or right for whatever reason WE say is right? Chances are none of them, but you know what..at one time we were the biggest and the baddest and we had the most toys so we took it to whoever we wanted..well now we are viewed as weak because of our leadership (clinton, bush in his last yrs and now barry) and the chances of it coming to us become bigger, thats the way it is...if it happens here then we fight back, if if happens elsewhere, then we push the issue, but we will be involved, its just the way it is...as i said as long as man inhabits this planet, there will be war...if you are use to it by now, guess you never will be....and i didn't say "comfortable with it" i said use to it.....

Oh and war also pays well...as long as you are "working" for the right private contractors........

[layoutshooter]

If I were to be President there is a very good chance that we would be involved in far fewer wars in the future and the one we are in now would get fought, won, ended and this time the United States would not nor never again abandon a region that we freed. We would stay and assist a country like Afghanistan to become a full partner with the rest of the world. We would leave them to the wolfs as we did last time.

This Country would not be weak, but would always remain strong since that is the only way to avoid war.

Keeping a strong military and intelligence service is very expensive, fighting war cost even more. The cost of weakness is always higher. Both in lives and money.