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[greg334]

Oh you deleted your post, well here is my reply anyway.....

By history accounts the US was directly responsible for the war with Japan....

How? We didn't attack them, we didn't force their hand into a situation to invade Korea or China, we didn't make an agreement with others to attack Japan.

We cut off our supply of oil and scrap metal (the latter was a joke by the way) which they still had other sources, we were just cheaper. They still had supplies of food and rubber, two items they claim we were holding back ... and all of this was because of China.

When you back a rat into a corner as the US did what else could one expect...

But see they were planning on attacking us back into the late 30's when they were looking into expanding their pacific holdings near our territories, a plan that went back into the 20's.

Now it looks like we backed them into a corner because how things are revised, but again there are history books that said Lincoln freed all the slaves.

[OntarioVanMan]

Oh you deleted your post, well here is my reply anyway.....




How? We didn't attack them, we didn't force their hand into a situation to invade Korea or China, we didn't make an agreement with others to attack Japan.

We cut off our supply of oil and scrap metal (the latter was a joke by the way) which they still had other sources, we were just cheaper. They still had supplies of food and rubber, two items they claim we were holding back ... and all of this was because of China.



But see they were planning on attacking us back into the late 30's when they were looking into expanding their pacific holdings near our territories, a plan that went back into the 20's.

Now it looks like we backed them into a corner because how things are revised, but again there are history books that said Lincoln freed all the slaves.

I deleted it because I didn't want to take on a forum full of Americans....sometimes retreat is a better option....

[Pilgrim]

Trying to say we were in the wrong about our methods to stop a horrible war by any means, cheapens the lives lost on both sides during a war of aggression. To stop this aggression it took countless lives and so much material, that most today can't grasp the size of it. Instead we have idiots trying to say we were wrong, they ignore the fact that today the only reason that they can speak openly is the fact that those who faced evil, fought evil and won.

Most any credible historical account of the WW2 Pacific theater would emphasize the dedication of the Japanese to defend their homeland. To say they would have fought to the death of the last man or woman against an invasion is a gross understatement. It's been so long since our country was actually threatened by an aggressor, only our octagenarians actually understand the concept of war and what it takes to win one. The mushy liberal revisionism that masquerades as history being taught in our schools today only serves to fuel the feelings of self-loathing that the liberals feel we must have. It's no wonder that so many people do not recognize the threat from these Islamic terrorists.

[OntarioVanMan]

Pilgrim...
actually us that are schooled outside the US have not been brainwashed aka taught strictly Americanism stuff....The old saying the victor gets the luxury of writing history no matter how much BS they write into it..and "some" people believe.... If I were a born American I'd believe the crap they teach in school as well...

[FIS53]

It is protocol and etiquette to bow to royalty. If you follow ranking then a President is below a Royal Prince who is below a Queen and then a King. An Emperor is higher than a King. Hence it is protocol accepted around the world that you bow for respect of their position.
Rob

[LDB]

I'm sure respect could have been properly shown without assuming a proctological examination position and thereby not only being respectful of the emperor but also maintaining the respect of one's own position, provided of course that one had any respect for their own position, something lacking in our current apologist.

[greg334]

So OVM I sat across from a WW2 vet at lunch, he is a marine who was in the first marine division. He fought and was wounded on Peleliu and the guy sitting next to him was in the same battle but also fought in the battle of Okinawa.

They reaffirmed what I have been told by brits, dutch and aussies who fought the Japanese too, what it was like and why they fought them. I can't understand why the UK which included your mother country would be fighting the Japanese when they didn't start the fight like some claim we did?

It comes down to the facts and the facts were written long ago as they happened and can't be changed. No brainwashing involved when you look at all sides. Today we ignore these facts in schools and tell the other side of the story instead, a softer side that the Japanese were not the aggressors but a peaceful people who was only minding their own business while they vacationed in China and it was us, the United States who put them into a position that they had to fight or be wiped of the face of the earth.

If you fall for that as near truth, then Hitler was only trying find a place to have a picnic along the Polish border and he kind of drove over the border with his Grosser Mercedes by mistake which started the war.

[OntarioVanMan]

and that is what I was taught...American expansionism thru control of economics..American dominance around the world to have some control of its interests...
All presented in a world peace facade and helping others...when in fact it was just plain self interest of a capitalist nation..

Hey no problem with that, but at least it holds all governments lie.

[layoutshooter]

I spent 18 months in Japan I am well aware of the complexities of their traditions. I did NOT see what Obama did or did NOT do but there is NO excuse for getting it wrong if he did. It is HIS responsibility to be sure that he is well schooled in the proper greetings. Not his staff, HIS. After all his is the president. IF he did NOT understand he should have taken steps to fix it.

As to the WWII of the Japanese Military and government it would be a good idea to speak with those who lived through it.

Mrs. Layoutshooter's uncle was the "guest" of the Japanese on an interesting little walk called the "Batan Death March. I spoke with him on this subject prior to his death. This was AFTER my tour over there.

I did meet several people in Japan who were deeply ashamed of what their Government and Military did.

[riverrat]

saw it somewhere on a forum the if he is going to bow to the Japanese he will probably do a Lewinsky to the Chinese.

[RLENT]

... American expansionism thru control of economics ..... American dominance around the world to have some control of its interests...

Bingo.

All presented in a world peace facade and helping others...when in fact it was just plain self interest of a capitalist nation .....

No, that's actually not quite correct - that was the apparency - the PR job, the big lie - that it (what you are referring to) was in the national interest.

What it was in actual fact, was self-interest, not so much on the part of the nation, but on the part of a small handful of very, very well-off folks .... and a few of their henchmen ..... you know - the kind that gets elected to national office (either party ... makes no difference)

The same story has been played out time and time again for several hundred years now .... it's gotten so old that one would think people would wise up and get a clue ..... but alas, some never learn .....

Much to address in this thread, just can't do it right now ... gotta get some sleep.

[Steady Eddie]

So OVM I sat across from a WW2 vet at lunch, he is a marine who was in the first marine division. He fought and was wounded on Peleliu and the guy sitting next to him was in the same battle but also fought in the battle of Okinawa.

They reaffirmed what I have been told by brits, dutch and aussies who fought the Japanese too, what it was like and why they fought them. I can't understand why the UK which included your mother country would be fighting the Japanese when they didn't start the fight like some claim we did?

It comes down to the facts and the facts were written long ago as they happened and can't be changed. No brainwashing involved when you look at all sides. Today we ignore these facts in schools and tell the other side of the story instead, a softer side that the Japanese were not the aggressors but a peaceful people who was only minding their own business while they vacationed in China and it was us, the United States who put them into a position that they had to fight or be wiped of the face of the earth.

If you fall for that as near truth, then Hitler was only trying find a place to have a picnic along the Polish border and he kind of drove over the border with his Grosser Mercedes by mistake which started the war.

My Dad was there, and was going to be in the first wave to invade, they were training for it. Awarded 4 bronze stars.

I ask him how he felt about the Bombing....He said "well, your here and your sister is here, so I feel perty good about it"

No brain washing there, he saw first hand what type of people they were back then.

OVM, while you are at home tune TV to the history channel.... WWII in HD.

[RLENT]

It comes down to the facts and the facts were written long ago as they happened and can't be changed. No brainwashing involved when you look at all sides.

Assuming one is in possession of ALL THE FACTS.

[OntarioVanMan]

My Dad was there, and was going to be in the first wave to invade, they were training for it. Awarded 4 bronze stars.

I ask him how he felt about the Bombing....He said "well, your here and your sister is here, so I feel perty good about it"

No brain washing there, he saw first hand what type of people they were back then.

OVM, while you are at home tune TV to the history channel.... WWII in HD.

I've been watching some of it..pretty good.

[RLENT]

Oh and the fact Dwight did in more then once, WAS a show of respect. has he had ALREADY proven that he had no problem going to war and killing and breaking things as we train our military to do ......

The above statement borders on near-imbecilic ....

Let's see if I can go deep in the mind of the chef and understand the rather convoluted and perverse logic here:

"One can only show respect .... if one has no problem going to war and killing and breaking things ....."

Yeah ..... yeah ..... now I think I get it: You kill someone, or break their stuff, or make war on them .... and that means you have shown them respect.

I guess the guys down in the 'hood had it all wrong - they thought they were being diss'ed ..... they was just bein' respected.

I swear .... I really couldn't make this stuff up no matter how hard I tried ..... or if I had a complete eternity to do it ..... but it sure is funny .... or scary ... or somethin' .....