Surprise! Surprise..barry will give Amnesty to illegals..

[letzrockexpress]

But see it does. The invaders are not just Mexicans or Hispanics but also Arabs, Russians, Eastern Europeans, Chinese, and a even Canadians. The point is the Spanish speaking person is the more exposed - hence the one we think of the most.

What this will end is the abuse of the people who are trying to find better lives, it won't solve the problems with employment as much as I hope it would because of things that we can't control - our government.

The abuse ranges from sex slavery, farm worker slavery to worker abuse on the job. "Jose, take those hot glowing rods and run them over to the stamping machine, but don't forget to tape the right button on the control and hold the rods in place so they don't slip in the die" (actually saw that happen).

When you are not supposed to be here, it is hard for you to go to OSHA or the cops to complain. The reason I would like to see this country get their act together is not to prevent people from getting here to work but allow them the same chance my grandparents had without fearing bad things happening to them.

Illegal Canadians? They need to go....

[Steady Eddie]

What Would Sam Houston Do ?

Well, heck lets do it! Harahar

[Steady Eddie]

I'd like to know how you think it will be less cost to round these people up and deport them rather than to grant them amnesty. Hey, I know, Let's round up all the marijuana and eradicate it from the U.S....and then let's round up all the c*ckroaches and get rid of them too!. Sorry dood, that horse is already out of the barn.

1. I don't know what a "dood" is...

2. Are you kidding me? Once legal why work when the goverment will pay you not to?

3. see number 2.= cheaper to deport them....

4. They are breaking the LAW. But, that's ok in your mind, you need more Lib's since you people are killing the unborn..and depleting your voter's.

[Steady Eddie]

Illegal Canadians? They need to go....

If they are illegal Yes they need to be deported. That is the Law. We agree on something!!!!

[letzrockexpress]

2. Are you kidding me? Once legal why work when the goverment will pay you not to?

Uh, I don't know I think you call it a work ethic. If you truly know any mexicans then you know most of them work their as*es off.

3. see number 2.= cheaper to deport them....

Wrongo Steady...Show me how.

4. They are breaking the LAW. But, that's ok in your mind, you need more Lib's since you people are killing the unborn..and depleting your voter's.

Yeah that's right, let's kill every other baby. We need zero population growth. But not the mexican ones. We need them to do the work the lazy teenagers won't do.

[alwaysontime]

Que ondas letzrocket. Via con dios mi amigo blanco.

What laws are Mexicans breaking? Were those laws put in place by the "Native Americans" the people who were living in the United States before the whites came in here and stole their land? The Native American Indians and the Native American Mexicans who are indigenous to the North American continent were here before the Europeans. Why should they be forced to recognize arbitrary laws that were passed by foreign invaders? We sole lands from Mexico through intimidation and now they want those lands back.

[letzrockexpress]

Que ondas letzrocket. Via con dios mi amigo blanco.

What laws are Mexicans breaking? Were those laws put in place by the "Native Americans" the people who were living in the United States before the whites came in here and stole their land? The Native American Indians and the Native American Mexicans who are indigenous to the North American continent were here before the Europeans. Why should they be forced to recognize arbitrary laws that were passed by foreign invaders? We sole lands from Mexico through intimidation and now they want those lands back.

Gracias. Usted tambien mi amigo...que dice la verdad.

[Steady Eddie]

Uh, I don't know I think you call it a work ethic. If you truly know any mexicans then you know most of them work their as*es off.



Wrongo Steady...Show me how.



Yeah that's right, let's kill every other baby. We need zero population growth. But not the mexican ones. We need them to do the work the lazy teenagers won't do.

Instead of disagreeing with a stop sign. Why don't you tell me what you think should be done. You never stand for anything you just disagree with everyone. Must be sad to be right all the time....in your closed mind, so tell me. You always come back with "show me this or that" now it's your turn.

[Steady Eddie]

Que ondas letzrocket. Via con dios mi amigo blanco.

What laws are Mexicans breaking? Were those laws put in place by the "Native Americans" the people who were living in the United States before the whites came in here and stole their land? The Native American Indians and the Native American Mexicans who are indigenous to the North American continent were here before the Europeans. Why should they be forced to recognize arbitrary laws that were passed by foreign invaders? We sole lands from Mexico through intimidation and now they want those lands back.

If you would read the subject line, it's about illegals. The word itself tells you what law is being broken. The rest of your post....HUH? That's way out in left field... I guess you can do your part and make the Native American's happy and go back to your Fatherland.

[hdxpedx]

The rest of the third world only see's the word AMNESTY! Now the FLOOD GATES are OPEN and they are in route to AMERICA, added to the 10.2% unemployment now, over saturation is the WICKED WITCH of the left's peloony's DREAM of POWER as speaker 4 EVER!! Every time when I call southern BRAZIL, I'm told what's happening in the news here in the USA-THEY ARE WATCHING!

[Steady Eddie]

The rest of the third world only see's the word AMNESTY! Now the FLOOD GATES are OPEN and they are in route to AMERICA, added to the 10.2% unemployment now, over saturation is the WICKED WITCH of the left's peloony's DREAM of POWER as speaker 4 EVER!! Every time when I call southern BRAZIL, I'm told what's happening in the news here in the USA-THEY ARE WATCHING!

The 10.2% is understated for unemployment. When they ask are you out of work and you say yes, the next question is "Are you looking for work?" If you answer no then they do not count you in the mix. One analyst said it is more like 17%.

[letzrockexpress]

Instead of disagreeing with a stop sign. Why don't you tell me what you think should be done. You never stand for anything you just disagree with everyone. Must be sad to be right all the time....in your closed mind, so tell me. You always come back with "show me this or that" now it's your turn.

What do I think we should do? Absolutely nothing. Attempting to deport all the illegals won't work and we'll just be farther in the hole. You are advocating the spending of literally billions of dollars that will not solve the problem. I asked you twice to show me how you think we should get rid of the illegals. I'm still waiting. I'm not right all the time, but you are wrong on this. As Chef Dennis says, if you don't like like what I post, don't read it....Oh, and if I was right all the time, why would I be sad, Dood?

[dougbabbles]

I plan on driving my Hino back to Russia some day so I can live in the father land. I'm going to turn my Hino into a roach-coach and sell pita bread in St. Petersberg.

[greg334]

Ummm..

There was no such thing as a Native American, in fact Canada's moniker seems to fit better then our PC version - first people.

America wasn't established when the Europeans arrived and I have yet heard a frick'n apology from England, France, Spain or the Netherlands over the invasion of this land - it is thrown up in the faces of the people who live here that we are at fault but we didn't have control over the peoples of that time.

In addition to that, the Indians as they are so commonly called, were part of a confederation, hence a country. They were like Europe in many ways but a different form of government, and a different culture. They had their wars, their mass killings and their slavery issues like the Europeans. They didn't just appear here out of thin air either but migrated from another land as the Europeans did. Their claim to being the First people may or may not be correct because we don't know who they conquered in order to establish themselves on the land, or if they killed off another race in doing so - no body knows. This does not take away the fact that the European settlers brought with them an attitude that the Indian was inferior, it was reflected in the attitude that they had about slaves, white or black.

To add to this, France, England, Spain and the Netherlands all owe our former slaves an apology and they should be the ones paying any reparations because it was their kings and Queens who gave permission to export slaves, creating the institution that we know as slavery in the United States. They also created a system that gave us indentured servitude which is still here in many different forms.

Now the French and Austrians should be apologizing to the Mexicans, they invaded and conquered Mexico when it was sort of an independent country. I don't recall the United States demanding that we have part of that action either time but fought our own war, a war without an occupation or trying to control Mexico after the fact. Nevertheless, the French and Austrians should be the target of the Mexicans if they want retributions for some unjust action against them in the past. We didn't just take the land they are trying to reclaim but paid for it in many different ways.

Deportation when possible

Yes it is a more cost effective method in dealing with the issue - here's why;

Our health care system has been burdened with the problems of maintaining facilities at the same time as providing health care to those who do not belong here. Most emergency room cases in the southwest and now appearing in some parts of the south east have been for those who have no legal or legitimate documentation and assumed to be in this country illegally.

We have setup clinics and programs in the southwest to deal with some of the issues of no or little health care for people who have been undocumented - aka invaders - and it has shifted money away from other programs, like education.

We have allowed our education system in some parts of the country to compensate for and pretty much condone the practice of undocumented children in to our education system without regards to cost.

Many of the times the invader, the undocumented worker if you want to call them, has to use a 'service' to obtain documentation in order to appear legal. These 'services' traffic in stolen identification and the hidden cause of this has cost the country billions of dollars, not to mention innocent individuals a lot of money to fix messes to their credit ratings and even paying vendors like credit card companies back. It is really easy for people who never went through identity theft to say it is no big deal but for those who have had to deal with the nightmare, deportation is justified.

Crime is another factor that is not included because it is hard to track the actual cost to the country. Just the Domestic Violence cost (intervention by the cops, arresting and housing the perp, adjudication of the case, consoling of the victim, social services to the victim, housing and protection of the victim) alone are three times as much as it should be and the bigger problem within the communities that house these invaders is the fact that 1 in 150 call the cops when it comes down to this one single crime and that reflects a bigger problem that crime flourishes in these communities and cost society more money int he long run. The other costs are crime against people outside the communities, where there is a cost related to investigation to solve crimes like murder and assaults.

So deportation is the best and most cost effective solution we actually have and if done properly with a fast tracked procedures, we can save the country billions in the long run.

I know you won't agree with it, that's alright because you are looking at the individuals you know not the real problems facing the country.

We have an immigration system that worked well before the first reform of 1965, since that time, we have lost what the country actually stands for and it is not an open border.

[letzrockexpress]

Ummm..

There was no such thing as a Native American, in fact Canada's moniker seems to fit better then our PC version - first people.

America wasn't established when the Europeans arrived and I have yet heard a frick'n apology from England, France, Spain or the Netherlands over the invasion of this land - it is thrown up in the faces of the people who live here that we are at fault but we didn't have control over the peoples of that time.

In addition to that, the Indians as they are so commonly called, were part of a confederation, hence a country. They were like Europe in many ways but a different form of government, and a different culture. They had their wars, their mass killings and their slavery issues like the Europeans. They didn't just appear here out of thin air either but migrated from another land as the Europeans did. Their claim to being the First people may or may not be correct because we don't know who they conquered in order to establish themselves on the land, or if they killed off another race in doing so - no body knows. This does not take away the fact that the European settlers brought with them an attitude that the Indian was inferior, it was reflected in the attitude that they had about slaves, white or black.

To add to this, France, England, Spain and the Netherlands all owe our former slaves an apology and they should be the ones paying any reparations because it was their kings and Queens who gave permission to export slaves, creating the institution that we know as slavery in the United States. They also created a system that gave us indentured servitude which is still here in many different forms.

Now the French and Austrians should be apologizing to the Mexicans, they invaded and conquered Mexico when it was sort of an independent country. I don't recall the United States demanding that we have part of that action either time but fought our own war, a war without an occupation or trying to control Mexico after the fact. Nevertheless, the French and Austrians should be the target of the Mexicans if they want retributions for some unjust action against them in the past. We didn't just take the land they are trying to reclaim but paid for it in many different ways.

Deportation when possible

Yes it is a more cost effective method in dealing with the issue - here's why;

Our health care system has been burdened with the problems of maintaining facilities at the same time as providing health care to those who do not belong here. Most emergency room cases in the southwest and now appearing in some parts of the south east have been for those who have no legal or legitimate documentation and assumed to be in this country illegally.

We have setup clinics and programs in the southwest to deal with some of the issues of no or little health care for people who have been undocumented - aka invaders - and it has shifted money away from other programs, like education.

We have allowed our education system in some parts of the country to compensate for and pretty much condone the practice of undocumented children in to our education system without regards to cost.

Many of the times the invader, the undocumented worker if you want to call them, has to use a 'service' to obtain documentation in order to appear legal. These 'services' traffic in stolen identification and the hidden cause of this has cost the country billions of dollars, not to mention innocent individuals a lot of money to fix messes to their credit ratings and even paying vendors like credit card companies back. It is really easy for people who never went through identity theft to say it is no big deal but for those who have had to deal with the nightmare, deportation is justified.

Crime is another factor that is not included because it is hard to track the actual cost to the country. Just the Domestic Violence cost (intervention by the cops, arresting and housing the perp, adjudication of the case, consoling of the victim, social services to the victim, housing and protection of the victim) alone are three times as much as it should be and the bigger problem within the communities that house these invaders is the fact that 1 in 150 call the cops when it comes down to this one single crime and that reflects a bigger problem that crime flourishes in these communities and cost society more money int he long run. The other costs are crime against people outside the communities, where there is a cost related to investigation to solve crimes like murder and assaults.

So deportation is the best and most cost effective solution we actually have and if done properly with a fast tracked procedures, we can save the country billions in the long run.

I know you won't agree with it, that's alright because you are looking at the individuals you know not the real problems facing the country.

We have an immigration system that worked well before the first reform of 1965, since that time, we have lost what the country actually stands for and it is not an open border.

I like that term "First people." It is much more descriptive of the truth. "Native American" suggests somewhat of an entitlement to the land. First people is much more correct in that they were here originally, but tribes come and go. This includes us. Whites began coming here in the ealry 1600's and have been doing so ever since. Now some of the "First People" are attempting to circle back around and we have a problem with that. In the grand scheme of things it won't matter much. 100 or 200 years from now an entirely different civilization will exist on what we now call North America. It's the natural order of things. Perhaps you are familiar with "The "Rise and Fall Of The Roman Empire"
In the immortal words of the great american, Mr. Robert Seger, Everything must have an end, like an ocean to a shore, like a river to a stream....like a river to a stream, it's the famous final scene*....
*Famous Final Scene by R.Seger, The Stranger In Town Album, 1978