Chavez Ready for War.....

**letzrockexpress** · 11-08-2009, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

Let's see, eons? When did Chavez IGNORE the election that voted him out? Eons? Or was it just two years ago? Leave it to the Rocket to defend a fellow commie!!! LOL!!! What else could we expect? Obama PRETEND to attack a fellow commie? NAW, Obama is HONEST!!

Just as his favorite commie buddy, William!! Life is as it is. Commies protecting commies. Here, there and everywhere!!

I ask you again, where did you get your information?

**layoutshooter** · 11-08-2009, 10:38 PM

HEHEHE!! They do suck don't they?

**OntarioVanMan** · 11-08-2009, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by letzrockexpress

I ask you again, where did you get your information?

Go for it LRE...keepum honest!!*LOL*

**chefdennis** · 11-08-2009, 10:40 PM

i am goin to bed and turning on the DVD player and watch "Finding Nemo", (would have watched "over the hedge" but my daughter took it out of the van the last time is was home) until i fall asleep...i have a long 35 mile DH to P.U. in the morning, then it is off to Oshkosh, begosh!!....

**OntarioVanMan** · 11-08-2009, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by chefdennis

i am goin to bed and turning on the DVD player and watch "Finding Nemo", (would have watched "over the hedge" but my daughter took it out of the van the last time is was home) until i fall asleep...i have a long 35 mile DH to P.U. in the morning....

Heading out too....could be one miserable day tomorrow...

**layoutshooter** · 11-08-2009, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by letzrockexpress

I ask you again, where did you get your information?

When was the last time you had fun? Can you not see that we are just going at it for the fun of it? You need a sense of humor or at least a funny bone!!

YOU can be WAY to intense!! It is NOT my fault that Obama, your favorite bud, is a flaming commie!!!

I would be willing to bet that you did NOT vote for Eric Von Zipper!! If not, you have NO business in here!! SO THERE!!

**letzrockexpress** · 11-08-2009, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

Let's see, eons? When did Chavez IGNORE the election that voted him out? Eons? Or was it just two years ago? Leave it to the Rocket to defend a fellow commie!!! LOL!!! What else could we expect? Obama PRETEND to attack a fellow commie? NAW, Obama is HONEST!!

Just as his favorite commie buddy, William!! Life is as it is. Commies protecting commies. Here, there and everywhere!!

Chavez wasn't voted out of office..He was ousted in coup some years ago, but he was reinstated as president. He is not a "commie" as you state, on the contrary, he has a far more participatory democracy than we have here. Just this past year he put a referendum to eliminate term limits up for vote and they were eliminated. IMHO he is portrayed as a threat because he is not beholden to big money and controls a whole lot of oil. If you were to really look at the big picture in Venezuela, even you would be surprised.

**letzrockexpress** · 11-08-2009, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

When was the last time you had fun? Can you not see that we are just going at it for the fun of it? You need a sense of humor or at least a funny bone!!

YOU can be WAY to intense!! It is NOT my fault that Obama, your favorite bud, is a flaming commie!!!

I would be willing to bet that you did NOT vote for Eric Von Zipper!! If not, you have NO business in here!! SO THERE!!

Uh,...........Huh?

**layoutshooter** · 11-08-2009, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by letzrockexpress

Chavez wasn't voted out of office..He was ousted in coup some years ago, but he was reinstated as president. He is not a "commie" as you state, on the contrary, he has a far more participatory democracy than we have here. Just this past year he put a referendum to eliminate term limits up for vote and they were eliminated. IMHO he is portrayed as a threat because he is not beholden to big money and controls a whole lot of oil. If you were to really look at the big picture in Venezuela, even you would be surprised.

Just as I thought. NO sense of humor. As soon as I find out what the LIONS did I am headed for sleep. THEN, I will get up run a GREAT two day run, THEN, go home. I will hunt for the better part of two weeks and ENJOY my life!! You, on the other hand, can continue to be a grump!! You need a shot or two of Old Grand Dad 114 and watch a hockey game and go layout hunting. THEN and ONLY then will you have a shot at enjoying life. You old grump you!!! LOL!!!

**letzrockexpress** · 11-08-2009, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

Just as I thought. NO sense of humor. As soon as I find out what the LIONS did I am headed for sleep. THEN, I will get up run a GREAT two day run, THEN, go home. I will hunt for the better part of two weeks and ENJOY my life!! You, on the other hand, can continue to be a grump!! You need a shot or two of Old Grand Dad 114 and watch a hockey game and go layout hunting. THEN and ONLY then will you have a shot at enjoying life. You old grump you!!! LOL!!!

You might be right...by the way hockey and the Lions both suck!
I can't speak for layout hunting, but it sounds pretty cool.

**layoutshooter** · 11-08-2009, 11:15 PM

WE will try this again. Hockey is cool, after all, it is played on ice!! The Lions DO suck. Keep in mind, that YOU and anyone else, has an OPEN invitation to join me on the "Open Waters" IF you choose to join us in FUN, a subject that I KNOW you don't understand, PLEASE don't bring that fine double you own. I don't want to see it ruined by steel shot!!

**RLENT** · 11-09-2009, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by chefdennis

he bought weapons from iran and fighter jets from russia, russia is doing joint military "exercises" there.... don't think for a moment he wouldn't hit the southwest and west coast given enough reason .....

The above statement borders on wild-eyed lunacy ....

Yeah ... Venezuela .... right ......

**layoutshooter** · 11-09-2009, 07:10 AM

By the way Rocket, was it not Chavez that has declared himself President for life? As to their democracy being better than ours, that would not be difficult since we don't live in a democracy. Neither do they for that matter. We, at least for the time being, live in a REPUBLIC, they now live in a left wing dictatorship. Which we may have soon if Barry and Co. get their way.

**chefdennis** · 11-09-2009, 10:04 AM

Rlent wrote:

The above statement borders on wild-eyed lunacy ....

Yeah ... Venezuela .... right ......

as was the idea that anyone flying 2 planes in the World Trade Center Towers, and another into the Pentagon and another crashing into a field in PA. all on the same day within minutes of each other.....

as i said hugo is having his strings pulled...he will do what he is instructed to when the time comes.....

**greg334** · 11-09-2009, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by letzrockexpress

He is not a "commie" as you state, on the contrary, he has a far more participatory democracy than we have here.

Chavez for what it's worth is a member of the Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela which if I see right has the word socilaist in it - um ... maybe he is?

That party has a few ideologies involved, Marxism, Socialism, Nationalism (fascism maybe?) and what is called Bolivarianism.

The last one is really interesting because if you ever read anything by Simon Bolivar, he was a fan of the United States and its form of government but admitted that it will never work in South America but felt was one of the best systems man has ever created. But with that the movement Bolivarianism seems to be defined close to how Hitler defined National Socialism;

Economic and political sovereignty
Economic self-sufficiency
Instilling in people a national ethic and pride

These seem to be the three common threads between the two ideologies which are not always present in some of the Socialist countries.

I beleive he is practicing his form of Participatory Democracy, which may be akin to Mussolini's form of democracy. The elections take place, there are votes by the common people and so on but there are panels and committees who actually oversee everything and make decisions without any checks or balances.

As far as saying we have less Participatory Democracy than they do, that's not true at all simply because we are not a democracy and if we were we would have had health care days after our messiah proposed it. The differences are too clear and trying to make any comparison of the two systems seems to be trying to justify Chavez's actions. The simplified difference is we still have a system of checks and balances spelled out in the Constitution that actually works, our country hasn't redefined our basic principles and rights of its citizens and we don't have the changes to our government to allow people to become dictators. It is hard to change our basic operating document for a real important reason - Chavez.

I find that Chavez has used the same techniques and the same style as other dictators - Tito comes to mind - you can't call him anything less than a dictator. He may have improved his country but at the same time he is fighting with other countries because of political ideology and nothing more and speaks of the devil and so on, all to get people to be convinced he is the only leader for them.

I can't see what makes anyone want to support him and one day he will have to turn inward to stop the criticism by his opponents with the same methods that were used in his and his neighboring countries.