Buy Health Insurance or Go to Jail...

**layoutshooter** · 11-08-2009, 10:56 AM

That is correct. It gets worse with every passing year. They must be stopped. Obama is just the worst and the latest in a long line of scum that want to enslave this nation. The ONLY way to stop it is to fight it. Fight it in the voting booth first. That has not worked. The next step is to take away their power, which is money. You pay taxes the same way I do. DON'T pay them. You take away their monopoly money and they have NO power or control over you. The last resort is to fight them in the streets. It may come to that but I do NOT want to see it. I pray that it never happens, but if forced, I will join that fight at well. Living without freedom is NOT living, it is just waiting to die.

We have two choices, accept the status quo and live as slaves or stand up as FREE MEN with a backbone and just say no!!

**chefdennis** · 11-08-2009, 11:04 AM

from a fellow gun club member:

Heathcare bill = slavery

If you choose to drive a car you must buy insurance but you could always choose to not drive a car.

If you choose to have a phone you have to pay a special phone tax as part of your bill every month but you could always choose not to have a phone.

But the new healthcare bill actually requires that you pay a tax simply because you were born or go to jail.

Basically when you turn 18 you'll get a letter in the mail saying welcome to government health care, you first payment is due in 30 days, pay it for the rest of your life or we will come arrest you.

Many people have said that if the government tried to confiscate firearms that that would be crossing the line.

So what about this? Will you pay Pelosi's slave tax? If not the IRS will take everything you have (including your guns) and put you in jail.

I'm thinking that this is going to cross the line for a lot of people.

I'm thinking that a lot of people simply will refuse to be slaves.

I'm thinking that a lot of people are going to pull a Patrick Henry...

Give me liberty or give me death.

**DanielCarver** · 11-08-2009, 11:06 AM

I have had enough of this crap. I will not pay another dime in taxes. It is time to make a stand. If and when they come to collect their commie dues I will defend my home. These commies must be stopped now is the time Wake up!

**Oilerman1957** · 11-08-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by chefdennis

from a fellow gun club member:

Heathcare bill = slavery

Your already required to pay taxes, no difference chef

**layoutshooter** · 11-08-2009, 11:09 AM

It is time to take a stand. Stand up against this take over of your life!! Either have courage and conviction and defend your freedoms or be content to wimp out and live in slavery. What is your pleasure? I KNOW what I shall do. I love the State Motto of New Hampshire: LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!

**DanielCarver** · 11-08-2009, 11:16 AM

layoutshoter you seem like a true proud strong American. I want you by my side when this hits the fan.

**Oilerman1957** · 11-08-2009, 11:17 AM

All im saying is i dont see health care for everyone as a bad idea, id rather see the gov. spend the tax dollars on health care then funding studying cow farts on the climate and all the other things they fund

**OntarioVanMan** · 11-08-2009, 11:19 AM

wonder how the insurance carriers will respond....

especially since it will be the government scrwing us over instead of them....maybe the insurance companies are jealous?

Oh wait they 'll just takes turns on bending us over...

**Oilerman1957** · 11-08-2009, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan

wonder how the insurance carriers will respond....

especially since it will be the government scrwing us over instead of them....maybe the insurance companies are jealous?

Oh wait they 'll just takes turns on bending us over...

well, if i was an insurance company i would be fighting this all the way, cant blame them, its alot of money were talking about

**chefdennis** · 11-08-2009, 11:46 AM

oiler wrote:

Your already required to pay taxes, no difference chef

Ahhh sorry but i have screwed the irs out of tax dollars for over 30 yrs...all legally and using there own rules....it takes creativity and a accountant that is also like minded...you pay, i'll continue to keep as much of my money as i can. just as an example, i have sent tax returns in that showed $.33 as my income for the yr....and yes i have been audited more then one time , some ive won, some ive lost, i am still way ahead of the game....not bragging, just stating what anyone can do if you look and do the work....

oh and my wife will not file with me, she files as an "injured spouse" to cover herself....

**OntarioVanMan** · 11-08-2009, 11:49 AM

I am struggling with this one....

Insurance companies ripping people off constantly....

or

government involvement....

Can't there be a blend?

**Oilerman1957** · 11-08-2009, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by chefdennis

oiler wrote:

Ahhh sorry but i have screwed the irs out of tax dollars for over 30 yrs...all legally and using there own rules....it takes creativity and a accountant that is also like minded...you pay, i'll continue to keep as much of my money as i can. just as an example, i have sent tax returns in that showed $.33 as my income for the yr....and yes i have been audited more then one time , some ive won, some ive lost, i am still way ahead of the game....not bragging, just stating what anyone can do if you look and do the work....

oh and my wife will not file with me, she files as an "injured spouse" to cover herself....

What? you have never payed SS tax? Medicare tax? sales tax? gasoline tax?

**chefdennis** · 11-08-2009, 12:12 PM

sales tax, only when i can't use a "tax ticket" from the state to exempt me and listing purchases for "resale" or for "product testing"

gas tax, do now, but for yrs used a "farm exempt ticket"

SS, lol i get a letter from them each yr asking why my deduction are soo low...being self employed for longer then most people have worked has its advantages......but yea, i pay them, but no where near what they'd like to get..

and for about 8 yrs in the late 70's and early 80's i didn't even file...that cause my 1st divorce.....my wife now paid over 5 figures in back taxes and penatlies on my account before we got married because i wouldn't and she didn't want to be held responsable after we got married...that is why she now files as an "injured spouse', married filing single......and it is why i now work every angle and hole in the tax codes to not pay.....

**chefdennis** · 11-08-2009, 12:18 PM

ovm wrote:

Insurance companies ripping people off constantly....

with most insurance companies making in the neigborhood of 3-5 profit, and that was put out by the libs...where are they ripping of the people??

**pjjjjj** · 11-08-2009, 12:40 PM

by chefdennis

They are already taken care of my ENOUGH government programs, no one goes without because that is against the law...as for who should pay, the hospitals have programs that pay, charities pay, and yes tax dollars pay..

the US government also mandates that illegals get coverage..no one ca be turned away...no matter where you are from or who you are....

by greg334

.... I am one of the examples of being without money and having something major happen, not once but twice in my life. I been without insurance several times in my life and when these events happened, I didn't panic but decided to force the issue onto the doctors who then were willing to work with me, not against me.

Here in this country, unlike other countries anyone who shows up to a hospital must be taken care of. Many times the hospital will provide some sort of follow up care but there are a growing amount of doctors who provide free or near free services.

So you're saying that this new program where everyone will be covered, will be the same as now, where everyone is also looked after? So let's take this a step further. Everyone is covered now, the hospitals pay, charities pay, and tax dollars pay. Who pays the tax dollars, the people who pay taxes, no? ie, presumably 'you' (that is IF you are netting enough of an income in your business on which income taxes must be paid). Where do charities get their money to pay? How does the hospital work all the freebies into their budgets, by raising the prices for those who do pay? So in effect, you are already paying for the 'bums' to be looked after in their time of need, are you not? So if the government makes a law that everyone must have coverage, and pay for it, would that not lessen your already existing burden?

by greg334

Remember they, our government who has yet to do anything right, wants to change an entire systtem that works and gives us cutting edge medical care to cover everyone at the cost of those who can afford health care

I'm curious as to how you can believe the existing system 'works'? And curious as to who you believe is currently paying for services for those who can't afford it? Obviously if it was working, your hospitals wouldn't be bankrupt and the government wouldn't be looking for ways to pay for all those people who are getting looked after for free. If everyone is already being covered, but not everyone is paying for it, who do you think is already paying for it?

by FIS53

Did you know that the hospitals don't care whose health card you present? Happens here in the GTA a lot. Go in and present any OHIP card and get served even if the picture is not you, don't matter. Yup this is happening right now with our system even though the picture version was created to reduce the fraud (not).

The hospitals need to cover themselves. If a person is in need, they need to be helped, and someone has to pay. If the person has a valid health card, it will be the government insurer who pays and not the individual hospital. I have heard many stories of Americans borrowing our cards, say from a Canadian friend, so they can get looked after at our hospitals for free. (Probably the same Americans who are crying about having a law that requires everyone to have insurance.)

If our own people are willing to 'lend' their card to an outsider with no coverage, we are ultimately increasing our own taxes. Too bad people don't understand the big picture, as opposed to their little individual picture of themselves and how they can manipulate the system to fit their own personal desires of the day.

by FIS53

Our costs for drugs are lower as well which really helps if you have to get a lot of meds.

That must be why many of our people buy meds outside of this country?

by layoutshooter

WE have ALWAYS paid for our own health care and CHOOSE NOT to be forced to provide MORE charity to bums.

As far as I can see, you're already providing it. And you're not only providing it to the poorest, neediest 'bums', you're also providing it to the real bums that actually have incomes but who choose not to buy insurance for their families for whatever reason.

by layoutshooter

.... we were taught that THE PEOPLE control the government here. That the government is subserveant to the People and that the government has NO power over the People. Are you happy to be ruled and controlled? I sir, am not. I was born a free man and will die one.

Is your government not elected by your people? You and the rest of the individuals in your country cannot be called upon to personally vote and decide and plan out the logistics of every issue that must be dealt with on a daily basis. You elect people to do these things for you, no? I'll assume you do your best to vote for those who will work in your own best interests. Not every decision they make is going to agree with your own personal wishes. And even if your representative shares your point of view on a given issue, not every vote is going to go in your favor.

You share your country with other people, many of whom happen to disagree with your personal views. This healthcare thing is a huge problem. You've elected people to deal with it on your behalf. If you happen to not like the result, you cry about your lack of freedom and interfering government control and call upon your constitution to back you up. Can you imagine if each individual in your country only cooperated with rules and laws and mandates when they were in sync with what they personally wanted? What kind of country are you proposing?

Since this is the Soapbox and apparently everyone's viewpoints are welcome, I'll share what I believe to be a major problem.

by chefdennis

Ahhh sorry but i have screwed the irs out of tax dollars for over 30 yrs...all legally and using there own rules....it takes creativity and a accountant that is also like minded...you pay, i'll continue to keep as much of my money as i can. just as an example, i have sent tax returns in that showed $.33 as my income for the yr....

....my wife now paid over 5 figures in back taxes and penatlies on my account before we got married because i wouldn't and she didn't want to be held responsable after we got married...

(Aren't you just precious! <swoon>)

If everyone were paying their share, those who DO have incomes and ARE honest about saying so, wouldn't be paying for services for this type of person. And don't kid yourself that you're not already doing so.