2 Russian Nuclear Sub's of the East Coast Hmm

**layoutshooter** · 08-09-2009, 02:01 PM

You lost me Iceroad. When pinging to LOOK for a submerged sub you ARE on active sonar. That is the ONLY way you can get a return signal off of a target to "see" it. Just as my fish finder (sonar unit) is always 'pinging". Passive systems are only looking or OTHERS active signals. In all my years with working on the Soviet target set I have never heard of what you are saying. We used to instruct our subs on a regular basis to "ping away" to garner a response from the Soviet subs. What is your source on this? It differs from my experience.

**letzrockexpress** · 08-09-2009, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

You lost me Iceroad. When pinging to LOOK for a submerged sub you ARE on active sonar. That is the ONLY way you can get a return signal off of a target to "see" it. Just as my fish finder (sonar unit) is always 'pinging". Passive systems are only looking or OTHERS active signals. In all my years with working on the Soviet target set I have never heard of what you are saying. We used to instruct our subs on a regular basis to "ping away" to garner a response from the Soviet subs. What is your source on this? It differs from my experience.

Hey now, you're not divulging national security secrets are you???

**layoutshooter** · 08-09-2009, 02:06 PM

NOPE!! I would NEVER do that. There is OPEN SOURCE info out there on this. Clinton did it often, but NOT the Layoutshooter

**iceroadtrucker** · 08-09-2009, 02:12 PM

The silent service U listen Passive. In War games Yes PING

range to target yes ping. You chase a Russian Sub and Ping more than once it considered an act of war.

Go ahead Shooter Ping a Soviet sub more than once

When you here the torpedo doors open don't be surprised whats next.

Now DBF

Diesel Boats forever

That been gone for more than a decade.

**layoutshooter** · 08-09-2009, 02:15 PM

You have truely lost me on this one. I wish I knew your source. IF we ONLY listen and the Russian ONLY listens, how can we find him? He can just lay their, not turning his screws and unless he messed up we would NOT know where he was. WE ALWAYS wanted to know where they were. No problem, in confuse easy.

**letzrockexpress** · 08-09-2009, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

You have truely lost me on this one. I wish I knew your source. IF we ONLY listen and the Russian ONLY listens, how can we find him? He can just lay their, not turning his screws and unless he messed up we would NOT know where he was. WE ALWAYS wanted to know where they were. No problem, in confuse easy.

GO back and watch Crimson Tide..you'll figure it out...

**layoutshooter** · 08-09-2009, 02:26 PM

My son, who sailed on boomers including the Alabama, said that was one of the sillyest movies EVER made about subs. The subjockeys used to watch it for the "comedy". I too know what a joke it was. Good for the action and escape from reality, nothing more. My son also served on the Kentucky.

When we visited him we were blessed to SEE and BOARD the Alabama and see the Michigan in dry dock. I have GREAT respect for those guys after having been on board that boat. I was also impressed with the RESPECT shown to me for MY service and support to the boomers mission. It was humbliing. What was even MORE humbling was TOUCHING the silo, knowing what was just INCHES away from my hand and knowning what my MISSION used to be involving those VERY missles.

**greg334** · 08-09-2009, 07:26 PM

I thought IRT had something to do with the Army or Air Force?

Now Navy?

Well it is an act of war to actually fire and damage a country's ship or plane and then it is more than just that.

Sonar doesn't count.