My man Bill gets journalists pardoned

[letzrockexpress]

Sorry Rocket, the kind of blackmail I was speaking of is VERY real. The Soviets used too, and most likely STILL, try to set up agents for blackmail. Hookers, drugs, whatever, the weakness did NOT matter. The idea was to FORCE the person to devulge classified documents. It is a VERY dirty business. It was a BIT easier with young military agents but only just a bit. A weak character is just that.

Clinton is NOT a man of character. He should NOT be trusted. He cannot be trusted. He has a long backround in the PIGISH lifestyle.

As to this subject, in the long run this will have serious effects on the US and NOT good ones. Once you start buying off these people you have headed down a road that is VERY hard to turn back from.

We are a very weak nation now and it shows. Carter and Clinton were weak men and weakend the Nation. Obama is weak, VERY, weak. There are ONLY two choices in life when it comes to defense, STAND STRONG or stay home and get whipped. This move is a PRIME example of what not having a clue is.

Time will only tell what we GAVE AWAY to do this. The NEXT time, like maybe 3 hikers that Iran might have, we will have to give up even more. It will NOT end unless we say NO to this and be prepared to kick a little tail. THEN it will stop, after the tail kicking.

I'm not really sure what you were trying to say at the beginning of this post, but somewhere along the line you must have lost your train of thought because it ended up making no sense at all...

[layoutshooter]

I have that problem a lot, old age is setting in. It does not matter, we will never agree on any of this anyway.

[greg334]

Letzrock,
He is referring to a problem that is talked about in executive training, especially in the banking industry. There is a need to keep people out of trouble because of blackmail and the threat of exposure.

Just humor me with this explanation

If Monica was an operative for the Soviets, and her mission was to put President Clinton in a compromising position to disclose some secret or do some action, then using the actual things that she did, she could have threaten him to disclose the information or do something action.

The bank security people have people in their department just to handle this single issue. As a CEO of say BoA, you actually are watched carefully, it is not your money so they take steps to ensure that you don't hand over billions to someone like Monica (who is now working for Gietner).

Does this make any sense?

To put this in perspective of what Layout is saying, both the CIA and the KGB practiced this a lot. Even with some of the recent spy cases here in the US, there was some sort of blackmail involved.

[layoutshooter]

That is correct Greg. That IS why it is important that we elect people who have good old fashionded morals and live the high ground. Loose people ARE trouble and cost LIVES!!

[greg334]

What amazes me is how people think. Many don't get the difference between a law maker and a executive in a leadership position. If Harry Reid was to have an affair and the person or persons threaten to take it public, it wouldn't hurt one person in this country because all he does is vote on the bills.

I watch the Detroit thing carefully and like Kawmee, he did a lot of damage that they are just letting out in the sunlight. If this was Obama, it would make a big difference to all of us. Seeing Obama came from Chicago and the Daly political machine, there has to be a lot of things hanging over his head that he had to get to get even to the state senate.

[layoutshooter]

The American people, the little guy that they claim they are looking out for, are going to pay a VERY high price for electing these low lifes. When you give up morals just to elect someone who is a member of a party you like we are in VERY deep trouble. Character counts. Morals count. Experience counts. This mess is going to cost us dearly.

[letzrockexpress]

Letzrock,
He is referring to a problem that is talked about in executive training, especially in the banking industry. There is a need to keep people out of trouble because of blackmail and the threat of exposure.

Just humor me with this explanation

If Monica was an operative for the Soviets, and her mission was to put President Clinton in a compromising position to disclose some secret or do some action, then using the actual things that she did, she could have threaten him to disclose the information or do something action.

The bank security people have people in their department just to handle this single issue. As a CEO of say BoA, you actually are watched carefully, it is not your money so they take steps to ensure that you don't hand over billions to someone like Monica (who is now working for Gietner).

Does this make any sense?

To put this in perspective of what Layout is saying, both the CIA and the KGB practiced this a lot. Even with some of the recent spy cases here in the US, there was some sort of blackmail involved.

Yeah, it makes sense. I'm sure Marilyn Monroe would have a lot to say about such things....What I am refering to is the individuals here who act all offended that Bill Clinton is some sort of evil being simply because he got his rocks off and then lied about it. I don't give a fat rat's a** if he or any other President got his noodle wet with some sleaze ball every day of the week! It's got nothing to do with being a leader or manager. Who provides the sleaze ball under what circumstances is an entirely different matter. That is my point. To say morality counts is a farce. If morality were that important, Jimmy Carter would have been a great President. Morality has nothing to do with it. You can look back throughout history and find that from the very beginning, immoral acts were commited at the most defining moments in american history, time after time after time.

[Poorboy]

Yeah, it makes sense. I'm sure Marilyn Monroe would have a lot to say about such things....What I am refering to is the individuals here who act all offended that Bill Clinton is some sort of evil being simply because he got his rocks off and then lied about it. I don't give a fat rat's a** if he or any other President got his noodle wet with some sleaze ball every day of the week! It's got nothing to do with being a leader or manager. Who provides the sleaze ball under what circumstances is an entirely different matter. That is my point. To say morality counts is a farce. If morality were that important, Jimmy Carter would have been a great President. Morality has nothing to do with it. You can look back throughout history and find that from the very beginning, immoral acts were commited at the most defining moments in american history, time after time after time.

So what Your saying is that what they are doing is "Justified?" Because they are Elected Officials???? Just a Question!

[letzrockexpress]

So what Your saying is that what they are doing is "Justified?" Because they are Elected Officials???? Just a Question!

I'm not sure what you mean by justified. What I am saying is that good morals have nothing to do with being President.I have no doubt whatsoever that George W. Bush is of very good moral character, just as Jimmy Carter is. For whatever reason it did not translate into either of them being great leaders...

[layoutshooter]

Rocket the problem with electing liars is that they are liars and therefore cannot be trusted. Cheating on your wife IS lying. It is also breaking an oath. IF a person is willing to break one oath he is likely to break another. They are also a security risk if they are in a position like President. The willingness to accept low morals as normal is a very disturbing trend in this country. Anytime standards are lowered the result is lower returns.

Morals and character ARE very important. They are NOT the ONLY things that are important. A persons background and experience are very important. A president needs MORE than the ability to talk or stir a crowd. They need to have DONE things, background in running large budgets, military and security affairs and experience in overseeing a large work force, for a start. Obama has NO background OR experience in anything of value. His lack of understanding of military and security is really beginning to show. This move with North Korea is a prime example it will weaken us and lead to more incidents like this. His associations with people like William Ayres make him a HIGH security risk.

That is why I was interested in Jerry Curry this last election. He had all the background and then some. When I read his bio and heard him talk it was obvious that he was a MAN. The way he handled racial discrimination is a fine example of how a MAN would handle it. He did NOT fight, become a victim, file a lawsuit or quit. He decided to OUT DO his hecklers. He outperformed them and in the end HE finished OCS, (officer candidate school) he was commissioned and his hecklers went back to being enlisted men. HE WON!! THAT is how a person of character handles a problem. To be able to go from PVT E1 to two star general in that era was an amazing performance. It also gave him the insight that you can only get from working your way up from the bottom.

Now, I realize that he might have been too old for the job. I would have voted for him anyway because he was so much better than the rest of the swill that ran this time. You should read his bio, not because I want to you vote for him someday, but to give you an idea of what I look for in a candidate so you can better understand where I come from.

[greg334]

I don't care about the act, what bothered me was the lying in court. It goes to the integrity of the person and in that case it mattered more than libby and others of recent.

The problem with Clinton was that everyone of the people who had something going on on the side knew how to handle things and contain them. the Kennedys were brought up in a different enviorment than Clinton, they had been taught how to deal with issues that cropped up since they were kids in the spotlight and shadow of old Joe. Clinton didn't and this is where I think it got him in trouble with an uncontolled arogance. It comes out in this event, he is literally causing a lot of problems behind the scene for our Secratary of State, his wife.

[layoutshooter]

The lying in court AND the act are the same in my book. Had he acting as a mature, moral person and NOT cheated on his wife or done any of the other things he did he would have NEVER ended up in court and then lied. No matter how good you are at cover-ups, someone ALWAYS knows and you end up having to "do something for them" to keep the cover, even the Kennedys. One can only imagine what that bunch as cost this country. Morals, honesty, integrity and character ARE very important.

[letzrockexpress]

Rocket the problem with electing liars is that they are liars and therefore cannot be trusted.

Now this is the kind of enlightement I come to the soapbox for. You don't get this stuff from the left leaning media...

Cheating on your wife IS lying. It is also breaking an oath. IF a person is willing to break one oath he is likely to break another.

Not necessarily. Breaking an oath due to the effects of spiraling testosterone doesn't translate into dishonesty.

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Morals and character ARE very important. They are NOT the ONLY things that are important. A persons background and experience are very important. A president needs MORE than the ability to talk or stir a crowd. They need to have DONE things, background in running large budgets, military and security affairs and experience in overseeing a large work force, for a start. Obama has NO background OR experience in anything of value. His lack of understanding of military and security is really beginning to show. This move with North Korea is a prime example it will weaken us and lead to more incidents like this. His associations with people like William Ayres make him a HIGH security risk.

Once again, you digress. This is about Clinton, not Obama.

[letzrockexpress]

Morals, honesty, integrity and character ARE very important.

Every man who signed the Declaration Of Independence was a traitor to the King of England. Is being a traitor immoral?

Every indian tribe that inhabited North America was repeatedly tricked and cheated and lied to in the name of The United States of America, eventually being bannished to reservations.

What we wanted, we took...Is this morality?

Queen Lililukalani would have a thing or two to say about the integrity, honesty,and morality of American leaders....

[letzrockexpress]

The lying in court AND the act are the same in my book.

Yeah? who published that book? Marvel Comics?