Surprising update in Iran

**DougTravels** · 06-15-2009, 09:56 AM

It seems that it is a start anyways

Iran supreme leader orders probe of election fraud
By ANNA JOHNSON and ALI AKBAR DAREINI, AP

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's supreme leader ordered Monday an investigation into allegations of election fraud, marking a stunning turnaround by the country's most powerful figure and offering hope to opposition forces who have waged street clashes to protest the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

State television quoted Ayatollah Ali Khamenei directing a high-level clerical panel, the Guardian Council, to look into charges by pro-reform candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, who has said he is the rightful winner of Friday's presidential election.

The decision comes after Mousavi wrote a letter appealing to the Guardian Council and met Sunday with Khamenei, who holds almost limitless power over Iranian affairs. Such an election probe by the 12-member council is uncharted territory and it not immediately clear how it would proceed or how long it would take.

Election results must be authorized by the council, composed of clerics closely allied with the unelected supreme leader. All three of Ahmadinejad's challengers in the election — Mousavi and two others — have made public allegations of fraud after results showed the president winning by a 2-to-1 margin.

"Issues must be pursued through a legal channel," state TV quoted Khamenei as saying. The supreme leader said he has "insisted that the Guardian Council carefully probe this letter."

The day after the election, Khamenei urged the nation to unite behind Ahmadinejad and called the result a "divine assessment."

The results touched off three days of clashes — the worst unrest in Tehran in a decade. Protesters set fires and battled anti-riot police, including a clash overnight at Tehran University after 3,000 students gathered to oppose the election results.

One of Mousavi's Web sites said a student protester was killed early Monday during clashes with plainclothes hard-liners in Shiraz, southern Iran. But there was no independent confirmation of the report. There also have been unconfirmed reports of unrest breaking out in other cities across Iran.

Security forces also have struck back with targeted arrests of pro-reform activists and blocks on text messaging and pro-Mousavi Web sites used to rally his supporters.

A top Mousavi aide, Ali Reza Adeli, told The Associated Press that a rally planned for later Monday was delayed. Iran's Interior Ministry rejected a request from Mousavi to hold the rally and warned any defiance would be "illegal," state radio said.

But one of Mousavi's Web sites still accessible in Iran said Mousavi and another candidate, Mahdi Karroubi, planned to walk through Tehran streets to appeal for calm. A third candidate, the conservative Mohsen Rezaei, has also alleged irregularities in the voting.

State TV quoted Khamenei urging Mousavi to try to keep the violence from escalating and saying "it is necessary that activities are done with dignity."

Mousavi, who served as prime minister during the 1980s, has also threatened to hold a sit-in protest at the mausoleum of the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, founder of the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Such an act would place authorities in a difficult spot: embarrassed by a demonstration at the sprawling shrine south of Tehran, but possibly unwilling to risk clashes at the hallowed site.

Overnight, police and hard-line militia stormed the campus at the city's biggest university, ransacking dormitories and arresting dozens of students angry over what they say was mass election fraud.

The nighttime gathering of about 3,000 students at dormitories of Tehran University started with students chanting "Death to the dictator." But it quickly erupted into clashes as students threw rocks and Molotov ****tails at police, who fought back with tear gas and plastic bullets, a 25-year-old student who witnessed the fighting told The Associated Press. He would only give one name, Akbar, out of fears for his safety.

The students set a truck and other vehicles on fire and hurled stones and bricks at the police, he said. Hard-line militia volunteers loyal to the Revolutionary Guard stormed the dormitories, ransacking student rooms and smashing computers and furniture with axes and wooden sticks, Akbar said.

Before leaving around 4 a.m., the police took away memory cards and computer software material, Akbar said, adding that dozens of students were arrested.

He said many students suffered bruises, cuts and broken bones in the scuffling and that there was still smoldering garbage on the campus by midmorning but that the situation had calmed down.

"Many students are now leaving to go home to their families, they are scared," he said. "But others are staying. The police and militia say they will be back and arrest any students they see."

"I want to stay because they beat us and we won't retreat," he added.

Tehran University was the site of serious clashes against student-led protests in 1999 and is one of the nerve centers of the pro-reform movement.

After dark Sunday, Ahmadinejad opponents shouted their opposition from Tehran's rooftops. Cries of "Death to the dictator!" and "Allahu Akbar!" — God is great — echoed across the capital. The protest bore deep historic resonance — it was how the leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini asked the country to unite against the Western-backed shah 30 years earlier.

Amnesty International criticized Iran Sunday for blocking media and Internet sites. It said on Saturday, access to social networking sites was blocked, as was access to a range of online news services. Many of these outlets carried reports which raised concerns that the conduct of the election was flawed and results had been rigged, Amnesty said.

"Instead of instituting an information clampdown, including by blocking video sharing social networking sites like YouTube and Facebook; along with a handful of online news sites, the authorities should openly address the concerns and criticisms clearly expressed by so many," said Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui, the deputy director of Amnesty's Middle East and North Africa Program.

Amnesty called on Iranian authorities to ensure that newspapers linked to other presidential candidates are permitted to carry the statements of those candidates.

In Moscow, the Iranian Embassy said Ahmadinejad has put off a visit to Russia, and it is unclear whether he will come at all. Ahmadinejad had been expected to travel to the Russian city of Yekaterinburg and meet on Monday with President Dmitry Medvedev on the sidelines of a regional summit

**Tennesseahawk** · 06-15-2009, 11:16 AM

As far as I'm concerned, it's a big long article of false hopes. In order to restore order, the clerics will appear to be appeasing to protesters, but already have their man where they want him. IMO, they were a big part behind the scandal in the first place.

**DougTravels** · 06-15-2009, 11:23 AM

You could be right Hawk. It is a good sign that they even called for the investigation but it could just be a ploy. I guess we will know before 2 long for sure.

**chefdennis** · 06-15-2009, 12:57 PM

simply a PR move to appease the people, nothing will change and "iamadumbazz will still president..... he has already come out and said that this election is a re-enforcement of his ideals on israel and that the U.S. will need to come to that realazation.....

**layoutshooter** · 06-15-2009, 01:20 PM

I suspect that it is all for show, time will tell. IF it is a show thing you will NEVER here about all the arrests and murders of those who protested. Iran is NOT the U.S. They have no freedom of speech, politital and otherwise. All you haters of this country would do well to remember that little tid bit. Also, re-read the poem in my signature again to remind you of why you STILL have that right.

**dieseldiva** · 06-15-2009, 01:34 PM

I was watching some of the "tweets" come through from the Iranian students last night. Pretty amazing stuff. If you want to have a look, go HERE.

**layoutshooter** · 06-15-2009, 01:38 PM

More of this would go on in Iran IF we keep our presence in Iraq and Afganistan VERY strong. We need to insure those who would push for change in Iran that we are NOT leaving the region and that we WILL help them IF they manage to get rid of the scum running that country. We ran out on them once, it will take a lot to regain their trust. They are watching and hoping, WE are their only hope to throw off the shackles that bind them.

**dieseldiva** · 06-15-2009, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

More of this would go on in Iran IF we keep our presence in Iraq and Afganistan VERY strong. We need to insure those who would push for change in Iran that we are NOT leaving the region and that we WILL help them IF they manage to get rid of the scum running that country. We ran out on them once, it will take a lot to regain their trust. They are watching and hoping, WE are their only hope to throw off the shackles that bind them.

Yes, and these young people seem to be putting an awful lot of hope in whether Obama will support them or just fluff the whole thing off and carry on...business as usual.

**layoutshooter** · 06-15-2009, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by dieseldiva

Yes, and these young people seem to be putting an awful lot of hope in whether Obama will support them or just fluff the whole thing off and carry on...business as usual.

So far, he is NOT showing any support. He is just too weak. He talks too much and does too little. He should NOT be looking at drawing down our troop strengths at this time. We are years away from that. He is much like Carter and it is Carter that sold them down the river last time.

**dieseldiva** · 06-15-2009, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

So far, he is NOT showing any support. He is just too weak. He talks too much and does too little. He should NOT be looking at drawing down our troop strengths at this time. We are years away from that. He is much like Carter and it is Carter that sold them down the river last time.

True enough but NEVER FORGET....it was Carter that brought us Reagan!!! Yes??

**layoutshooter** · 06-15-2009, 02:13 PM

Sort of, yes. I give Reagan a "C-" for his time. He did NOT do a very good job in the Middle East. He cut and run when the Marine barracks was attacked in Lebenon. VERY bad move. It empowered the enemy and showed weakness. He should have not only stayed but came down very hard on those who blew those barracks up. Running was the opposite of what he should have done. That is what Obama is doing now.

**hdxpedx** · 06-15-2009, 07:42 PM

What I see is a WEAK MEEK president obummer who needs to STAND UP to JIHAD wacko and tell those protesters the USA supports them like BUSH did-- and bring down the HITLER OF IRAN-- they are in the streets FIGHTING!! spindless-obummer-- STAND BEHIND THEM!!
These are the same people who held 52 AMERICAN HOSTAGES obummer and YOU are frightened of them!! BUSH/CHENEY successfully surrounded IRAN!

**greg334** · 06-15-2009, 08:55 PM

Well thanks to our press, Obama is the worlds president. Today a plea went out asking for his involvement in fixing their election. It seems that a lot of Iranians were sold a bill of goods on our president.

But let's look at this another way... the Iranians will not forget carter and if we are to make any gains with them, we must play the hand that Bush started - not cowtow to the middle east as Obama has started to do. He needs to revisit the things we were doing, like support the human rights groups and so on. But I have a strong feeling that he will too be like carter, say one thing and pull all support out when it gets tough.

Their leader has made this a political play, he has heard the foriegn press complain about the election and he looks like he is going to leverage the election to his advantage by silencing the critics. It is a game and nothing else.

The real news is not that but the allowences the government has made with the protests. The last protests were met with jailed students and ruined families but this time a lot of people are showing their faces and not being as afriad. I think there will be more of disent in the future and I know it is because of Iraq and what we did there.

**Tennesseahawk** · 06-15-2009, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by greg334

The real news is not that but the allowences the government has made with the protests. The last protests were met with jailed students and ruined families but this time a lot of people are showing their faces and not being as afriad. I think there will be more of disent in the future and I know it is because of Iraq and what we did there.

Amen! And there are those who say it was a useless war.