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    Which states are worst for personal freedom?

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    Re: Which states are worst for personal freedom?

    Intersting of the 5 biggest states by population 3 of them are in the bottom 16%,NY,CA,IL. now explain why getting rid of the collage is a good idea.



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    Re: Which states are worst for personal freedom?

    MMMM, seems that the worst are basicly one party states too, mostly controlled by the Dumb-O-Crats. Could there be a trend with our current National picture? NAW, King Putz would never do ANYTHING to curtail our freedoms, would he?

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    Re: Which states are worst for personal freedom?

    A sample why South Dakota is 3rd from the best...

    *SB17 to revise drivers licensing provisions to bring South Dakota into compliance with Homeland Security regarding personal identification was voted down in the House on Monday. It was reconsidered and after some hard lobbying by the Blue Badges, it passed the House on Tuesday and is on the way to the governor’s office. Although the lobbyists claimed that this bill to change the identification you need when applying for a drivers license has nothing to do with the federal REAL ID Act, at least not yet, it looks too much like big government snooping into the lives of private citizens for several of us and I voted no both times.
    Last year Sen. Jim Lintz sponsored SCR7 requesting that the federal government repeal the REAL ID Act because it intrudes upon the states' sovereign power to determine their own policies for identification, licensure, and credentialing of individuals and passing SB17 certainly went against the intent of the 2008 legislature when we passed the resolution to repeal REAL ID.
    *HCR1013 is a resolution we passed this week on a related issue. This resolution reasserts our state’s sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over certain powers and serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates.
    The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people" and the Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being specifically granted by the Constitution of the United States. The scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be an agent of the states. The states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government and many federal mandates are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment.
    The United States Supreme Court ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states and House Concurrent Resolution 1013 serves as Notice and Demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.
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    Re: Which states are worst for personal freedom?

    One of the reasons I keep looking at moving there someday. I still cannot find out is my style of duck hunting is legal there though, SD regs are hard to read. I might have to call and talk with someone. Layoutshooter

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    Re: Which states are worst for personal freedom?

    Put how you hunt in print and I'll copy and paste and e-mail it to my sister-in-law....she'll hunt down the answers or know where to look....
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    I shall try to do that. Layout hunting is rather hard to describe. Even if I could find CLEAR written regs on boat hunting for waterfowl in SD I most likely could figure out the answer. The SD state web page is kinda lacking in that reguard. Layoutshooter

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    Re: Which states are worst for personal freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by layoutshooter View Post
    One of the reasons I keep looking at moving there someday. I still cannot find out is my style of duck hunting is legal there though, SD regs are hard to read. I might have to call and talk with someone. Layoutshooter

    I thought quad-40 mike mike AA weapons wear illegal for duck hunting in most states?



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    Re: Which states are worst for personal freedom?

    LOL, they are in most states! Not sure about Alaska or Hawaii. I also was not concerned about which "shooting tool" I used, more like which "floating too" Layoutshooter

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    Re: Which states are worst for personal freedom?

    what do you do? float in a boat? in the rushes....you wade into cover?

    is this it?

    If I had one guess why I was put on this earth, I would say it was to layout hunt. That's probably the reason why I recently emptied my already thin bank account and purchased 23 acres on Michigan's Saginaw Bay, a layout hunting hotspot. Building my permanent residence on this significant hunting and fishing resource will allow me to keep my layout rig virtually along the shoreline, making it easily available for gunning action with the many divers that migrate through this area.

    The definition of a layout rig is, for the most part, synonymous with the terminology of most "duck boats." Waterfowl hunters have different ideas as to what is and what is not considered a layout boat. In areas where hunters have to deal with heavy water, a larger, stouter boat would be used as a layout boat. In a more sublime area where wave heights tend to remain somewhat subtle, a more sleek-looking craft may do.

    Whatever the case, a layout boat is simply a water craft that is used to properly conceal a duck hunter in an open water area without the ravages of wind and water negatively affecting the hunter. The main ingredients for a layout boat are: short length (usually less than 10 feet in length) and low profile.

    Most layout boats have a canvas cover on top. This is called a "raise" or "combing" and is used in times of rough weather. Most veteran layout hunters, however, refrain from using the raise unless it's absolutely necessary. When the canvas is put into place, it eliminates the low profile and creates a shadow that may cause the birds to flare on certain days. If the raise is needed, they move it up only about three or four inches, just enough to keep the water from washing over the top. To assist in preventing a shadow effect, you can use white paint for the underside of the raise.
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    Re: Which states are worst for personal freedom?

    Kinda close. Most REAL layout boats are more like 12-14 feet in length. They are low profile, painted in a semi-gloss color to allow for some sheen since water ALWAYS has some sheen in any light. They are sort of cigar shaped or shaped like flying saucer or "Pumpkin Seed". The person in NOT concealled below water, as in a sink box. The boat is anchored at each end when in use. Below is a link to a picture of the boat I own. Let me know if it does not work. Layoutshooter

    www.mightylayoutboys.com/domino/mlb/MLB_products.nsf/88c8931aaec070e185256a9c00038c5e/5641d3505c786e10852574520013551c?OpenDocument

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    Did that work for you OVM? I can get a copy of the TV show we did if needed. Layoutshooter

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    Re: Which states are worst for personal freedom?

    Okay..learn something new each day...layout boats.
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    Layout boat or duck blind, same principle - stealth ambush.





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    Glad you enjoyed that Lawrence. You are correct Turtle, same idea. The only real difference is a duck blind takes advantage of surrounding vegetation for concellment and where we layout hunt, wide open water with no vegetation, it requires a low profile boat in the proper colors. We also use much larger decoy spreds than most blind hunter use. We put our decoys on "mother lines". Long lines of rather heavy rope, about 250' long. There is about 25 to 30 feet of line at either end, for anchoring. The decoys are attached to the main line with what are called, "snubbers" or 'droppers'. Short pieces of like parachute cord. There are nomally a dozen decoys per line witht the birds spaced between 8-10 feet apart. We run 5 to 7 lines We are also hunting mainly diving ducks, bluebills red heads etc. Where as in blind hunting you tend to hunt puddle ducks, mallards etc. This is all generally speaking of course. Layoutshooter

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