What grade would you give?

[flattop40]

Many pundits are wanting to give President Bush a grade. I say first off its not fair to give a general grade. You have to look at his whole term in office. They all want to look at his final year of office. I break it down by 2 year increments.

1st 2 years: A

2nd 2 years: B

3rd 2 years: B

4th 2 years: F

So if I had to give a final grade it would have to be a C.

Many are saying he is the worst president in history. I say hog wash.

He was not impeached. He kept us safe after 911. He did not misuse a cigar in anyway. Yes he put us into a war but that was after we were attacked and over 3000 people were killed. Previous to this when we had over 3000 people killed we went to war and had hundreds of thousands of people killed and yet Rosevelt is looked at as one of the better presidents. Hell he's on Mt. Rushmore. Last I heard we have only lost just over 4000 and took out a tyrant that had killed hundreds of thousands if not more.

So, is he the worst? I say no...... not great but by far not the worst.

[chefdennis]

I agree you can't give a general grade but i did put a C there. You have to llok at each aspect over his yrs in office. 1st i am not a dem or a repub, i consider myself a converative independent leaning towards a Constitutionalist.

For me bush screwed up as much as he did good. His actions after 9-11 kept us from being attacked again, and don't think for a minute that we won't be with osamaba and biden and hilary in control. His domestic economic policy is nothing short of a liberal democrat, but in his war policy i'd give him a b-, it would have been a B if he hadn't backed down to the libs in his placating them and not letting our military do what they are trained for, kill people and break things and an A+ if he had had the guts to go with israel and nuke iran. I have no issue with using nuclear weapons at all,oil burns really hot and sand makes nice glass.

Thats just 2, but he did what he felt he had to and overall i am ok with him, not great, but ok. As far as the worst president, not by a long shot....Although he did his share of abusing the Constitution........

[aristotle]

I, too, would give Geo. W. Bush a "C". He was a huge disappointment to us conservatives. His heart was in the right place with the war on terror. However, he and I part ways on nearly all other aspects of governing. Way too liberal for the most part. Supreme court nominees were excellent, that's about it.

[Moot]

Previous to this when we had over 3000 people killed we went to war and had hundreds of thousands of people killed and yet Rosevelt is looked at as one of the better presidents. Hell he's on Mt. Rushmore

That's young Theodore "Beaver" Roosevelt on Mount Rushmore. Bully! Bully!

[layoutshooter]

I gave him a "C" but a "C-" would have been more like it. WAY too much into the socialism. He did NOT get us into this war. Jimmy Carter did. Clinton insured that it would go down the tubes like it did. Bush was forced to react to the extremely poor leadership and lack of attention from those 2 Dumbecrats. Layoutshooter

[OntarioVanMan]

So your supposed to have a government...for the people , by the people and when the "people" WANT government involvement...just look at the voters?

So you have a government that would IGNORE the peoples wants and rule by the Constitution only? A document written so long ago in a different time, a different way off life that in some ways its obsolete.

[chefdennis]

The Constitution sets the limits of the FEDERAL Government. Anything that is not the care of the Constitution, is the states rights, thats where you can have your entitlement programs, not on the fed level, its that simple..

And by the way, the Constitution is NOT a living document, it is what it is and it is the law of our land. It can be ammended by a vote of the people, but not by a want of the elected reps...You want to play with "living documents" that can be changed as you go and made to "fit" the current want or need, come to my place, we will play poker with my "living rules!"

[layoutshooter]

You are correct, the Constitution was written to set Limits on the power of the Federal Government. State have rights but WE and ONLY WE hold the power. The people. The reason the Second Amendment was written. Our system was set up with many 'checks and balances" The "Armed Citizen" is the ultimate check and balance. The "Founders" knew that Government will "Always" fall into tyranny, like it is now, and put that Amendment in to insure that, WE the PEOPLE could counter-act that tyranny. Health care and all that other fluff is not worth your freedom. Nothing is. Layoutshooter

[OntarioVanMan]

You are correct, the Constitution was written to set Limits on the power of the Federal Government. State have rights but WE and ONLY WE hold the power. The people. The reason the Second Amendment was written. Our system was set up with many 'checks and balances" The "Armed Citizen" is the ultimate check and balance. The "Founders" knew that Government will "Always" fall into tyranny, like it is now, and put that Amendment in to insure that, WE the PEOPLE could counter-act that tyranny. Health care and all that other fluff is not worth your freedom. Nothing is. Layoutshooter

Aw ha..you call it fluff, but a lot of voters want fluff..they voted in Obama to get fluff....isn't that the will of the people?...or just your way of thinking, which happens to be in the minority by the looks of it.....

[aristotle]

OVM Sir, we don't have many sacred cows in this country. But you have a problem with the US Constitution? It is the most benevolent, divine document produced by the minds of men. All other democracies are just hangers-on. The United States is progenitor supreme of individual liberty. Yes, it was written long ago but it is a living, breathing document subject to revision as needed by the admendment process.
It is an arduous task to make changes to the Constitution, as well it should be. The Founding Fathers foresaw the need for an admendment process and clearly proscribed methods for doing so. We have amended the Constitution 27 or 28 times, I lose count. Indirectly, no nation on earth is safe from tyranny were it not for that document. From it sprang the greatest force for good ever known.
I suggest, for anyone who hasn't done so, travel to Washington,DC and stand before the original document and read it carefully to yourself. Then, read it again and let it sink in. The bone-chilling power and majesty of the US Constitution is only surpassed by the Holy Bible.

[layoutshooter]

The Constitution does not allow for that "fluff" You have to amend the Constittution to get it. It will be done with lies and no amendments. The Constitution will be gone and so will our Freedom. You might not understand that. You came from Canada. You CHOSE to remain under the "Thumb" of the "Crown" Europe has little freedom, and little history of freedom. They have for the most part, always been ruled. They still are. I CHOSE to live free. My constitution is the most AMAZING document EVER in the History of ManKind. I am not old fashioned. It is not my fault that soooo many Americans are stupid, lazy and have nose rings to make it easier to lead them around. I don't have one. I learned my "Rights" a long time ago. I don't accept todays cry baby wooses who would rather be card for than live free. You deserve NOTHING if you give up your freedom. Maybe you can be ruled, I cannot. Layoutshooter

[OntarioVanMan]

OVM Sir, we don't have many sacred cows in this country. But you have a problem with the US Constitution? It is the most benevolent, divine document produced by the minds of men. All other democracies are just hangers-on. The United States is progenitor supreme of individual liberty. Yes, it was written long ago but it is a living, breathing document subject to revision as needed by the admendment process.
It is an arduous task to make changes to the Constitution, as well it should be. The Founding Fathers foresaw the need for an admendment process and clearly proscribed methods for doing so. We have amended the Constitution 27 or 28 times, I lose count. Indirectly, no nation on earth is safe from tyranny were it not for that document. From it sprang the greatest force for good ever known.
I suggest, for anyone who hasn't done so, travel to Washington,DC and stand before the original document and read it carefully to yourself. Then, read it again and let it sink in. The bone-chilling power and majesty of the US Constitution is only surpassed by the Holy Bible.

I have no problem with the way it is written....I was stating observations here and in print and conversations....It is a work of art...

and Joe...my teacher and mentor of the way things should be....You should know I meant no foul....it is just my aggravating way of stimulating the thought processes....

[layoutshooter]

"Bowing Deeply" I am proud to be your teacher and mentor!!!! Think FREE at all times. NOTHING in this life is more important. You are the man. Not Obama. Not Bush. You and only you can do what is best for you. Life and the freedom to live it WITHOUT the interference of a over-bearing, all rulling government is what our Country is about. The ONLY country on this earth that has freedom. Do not be fooled into giving that up. Shoot, I stand when the Anthum is played, my hat over my heart. I salute, a crisp military salute when our Flag is raised or lowered. I will fight ANYONE that tries to end this grand experiment in freedom. What an amazing idea, the thought that you know what is best for you. Not the President, not the "Crown" but OVM. What power. Do not chose to lose that. Layoutshooter

[Pilgrim]

I would also agree that "C" would be appropriate. In spite of the claims to the contrary by Democrats, Bush is not a conservative Republican. His war policy was spot on, and he's kept the country free of terrorist attacks while taking the fight to them on their own turf. His economic policies were mostly successful except for his refusal to veto excessive spending bills. His domestic policies, especially those involving the tolerance of illegal Mexicans, have been disappointing to say the least. He may have taken positions that some would say attacks our civil rights (wiretaps, monitering of banking activities, etc), but I think these were the right things to do in the face of potential attacks from radical Muslim terrorists. I would ask anyone that participates in this discussion to describe how these anti-terrorism policies have adversely effected their daily lives. The ACLU can squeal all it wants about the human rights of GITMO prisoners and terrorists that might have been tortured, but this only amounts to more liberal whining that is not in touch with the reality of war. In all, he did a fairly decent job under extremely difficult circumstances.

[layoutshooter]

Under the Geneva Convention those Gitmo prisioners should have been shot. Bush did not prosecute the war with enough agresssion. I would have carpet bombed Iraq for AT LEAST 3-5 months and THEN hit them with 500,000 troops. Then sit down and talk. AFTER we wiped the slate clean. That is how WW2 was won. You can't "Play Nice" with these people. Layoutshooter