[chefdennis]

the dnc's request to dismiss the case to get obamas burth certuficate has been denied. obama has 3 dsays toprovide a "vaulted copy of obamas birth certificate. The court order has been signed.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by chefdennis

the dnc's request to dismiss the case to get obamas burth certuficate has been denied. obama has 3 dsays toprovide a "vaulted copy of obamas birth certificate. The court order has been signed.

Link, please

The reason I ask for a link, is, that news is about a week old, and wrong (unless there have been new developments).

[chefdennis]

Turtle, I have to apologies for posting this without checking it out. I got this info about 5 minutes before i posted it from a normally very reliable scource. He stated to a group that questioned if this indeed was new news and that the judge has signed the order and he stated 3 times that yes this was new and the judge had signed the order.

I did not have time to look for the llink as i was heading out to KC, MO at the time. When i got here, I started looking for the link and I cannot find anything on this.

The scource is normally very reliable and has more then enough inside the "belt way" connections as he is a national syndicated radio talk show host. As I said he is normally a scource to be trusted, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, thinking that if this is new news, we should see something today. If not, I'll be back to extend my apologies for even posting it to begin with.

[Turtle]

The talk show hosts (who are not journalists) and the bloggers are amusing sometimes. Like, the "fact" that's running around the net about the birth certificate that was released has been examined by at least three document forensic experts who have all certified it as a fake, yet that's not true at all. A few "experts" examined a JPG image of the certificate and were somehow able to authenticate it as a forgery.

There's a bleed-through date stamp on the back of the birth certificate, Nov. 6, 2007, and people went nuts thinking that that's the date of the crafty forgery. But, that's merely the date of issue of the duplicate from the state of Hawaii, issued upon request of a US Senator.

People go on and on about how, if Obama has nothing to hide, that he should direct the state of Hawaii to make his birth certificate available to anyone who requests it. Apparently, these people don't realize that Obama's birth certificate, as well as yours and mine, are part of the public record and that anyone can get a copy of anyone's birth certificate at any time. But noooo, Obama is refusing to allow to have his released. Too funny.

Anyway, I digress. If a judge had signed a court order, then you can bet it would be part of the public record (which can be looked up and verified) and that at the very least a little blurb would appear in the news media (yeah, even the Zionist controlled news media, or rather, especially the Zionist controlled news media), and not solely on bloggers Web sites. Inside the Beltway out outside the Beltway, doesn't matter, if a judge signed a court order, it's public, especially since the judge in this case is a Pennsylvania judge and not an inside-the-Beltway judge (US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania). The case has a case number, which can be looked up, and in the court record of the Berg case there is no record of any such order being signed by a judge.

McCain was born in Panama. Is he a US citizen? Yeah, he is. His parents were US citizens.

Obama was born in Hawaii. Is he a US citizen. Yeah, he is, he was born in the United States. But, hey, for giggles, let's say he was born in Keyna. Is he a US citizen then? Yeah, his mother was a US citizen, which means he is too.

Berg asserts some convoluted logic that people take on the citizenship of their custodial parent, not their real parents, and in the case of Obama his grandparent in Indonesia (for a rather brief time, at that), and because his custodial parent was not a US citizen, then by default, Obama, as an infant of sound mind and body, somehow managed to renouce his US citizenship. Basically, Berg is a Hillary supporter who is whining within the legal system.

I love the few weeks leading up to a presidential election. That's when the most entertaining come out of the woodwork. Obama isn't a US citizen. Neither is McCain. Hey, did you know that McCain wasn't really even a POW? It's true. He was never tortured and never had any bones broken, and he had it real easy in captivity and lived over there in relative comfort, with nearly daily visits to him from hookers. It's true. I read it on a blog.

Jon Christian Ryter -- DNC joins Obama to block Berg suit

[theBeemer]

Anyway, I digress. If a judge had signed a court order, then you can bet it would be part of the public record (which can be looked up and verified) and that at the very least a little blurb would appear in the news media (yeah, even the Zionist controlled news media, or rather, especially the Zionist controlled news media), and not solely on bloggers Web sites. Inside the Beltway out outside the Beltway, doesn't matter, if a judge signed a court order, it's public, especially since the judge in this case is a Pennsylvania judge and not an inside-the-Beltway judge ([/SIZE]
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania)


By God its good to see you finally catching on to it Mr. Turtle.

[Turtle]

And it's not surprising to see that you're finally not. It was a sardonic grenade lobbed for you to fetch. Go fetch, Sparky. Fetch!

[theBeemer]

Originally Posted by Turtle

And it's not surprising to see that you're finally not. It was a sardonic grenade lobbed for you to fetch. Go fetch, Sparky. Fetch!

Come on buddy whats a little arguing between friends? Really like the last time I made you go away it wasn't personal But really you can insult me better then that can't you? Heck this almost like a quote from your little lapdog. Come on did you really think I would believe such an unapologetic zionist stooge's statement like that?

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by theBeemer

Come on buddy whats a little arguing between friends? Really like the last time I made you go away it wasn't personal

It's little things like you actually believing that you made me go away that makes arguing with you no fun. It's quite impossible to have an intelligent conversation, much less an engaging argument, with someone who holds on to a lie instead of the truth that is handed to them. Sorry.

I'll now go back to reading the Zionist controlled news media as they blatantly support a Kenyan born Indonesian Muslim for president at his circle K certified pulled pork BBQ fund raiser.

[theBeemer]

Originally Posted by Turtle

It's little things like you actually believing that you made me go away that makes arguing with you no fun. It's quite impossible to have an intelligent conversation, much less an engaging argument, with someone who holds on to a lie instead of the truth that is handed to them. Sorry.
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Im sorry thats why you disapeered for awhile..You were surprisingly absent though during all the bail out stuff..You posted plenty in other catagories but nothing on that ....HMMM Why? Of course you wouldn't have anythig to say about your buddies that shipped what 400 million to Isreal from Lehman brothers 1 week before the bailout scams?
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I'll now go back to reading the Zionist controlled news media as they blatantly support a Kenyan born Indonesian Muslim for president at his circle K certified pulled pork BBQ fund raiser.

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Do you want me to post the links about how Obama is right in with them? It wll take some time...Some of us have to work ya know...Funny about the fund raiser ....Funny I was reading were he was born in Hawaii. Now we all know Juan McCain was born in Panama..Maybe thats why he voted to give illegals medical benifits and ssi and is so friendly to them???? Ya think..where does his loyalties lie??? Or was that just his way kissing more butt for votes and who cares about the American Worker and 7 houses?? Did I mention he was a POW too and his dad was an Admiral? Did I mention he still lies about his fathers cover up of the USS Liberty???

[layoutshooter]

My youngest son was born in England when I was stationed there with DOD. Under US law he is a US citizen. He was also a British subject until the age of 18 when he had to choose one or the other. He lost the British by default having never filed any papers. He can legally run for President or play cricket for Yorkshire. Very few in this country can play for Yorkshire, but he does not play cricket so I guess it don't matter. He too was involed in a cover up, much like I was. We used to cover the plants in the spring to keep the frost off of them. Those spring frosts in Pennsylvania were caused by local Zionist radicals. That is why we had to be involed in the cover up, to protect them. Many thousands of US citizens were born over seas. It does not reflect on them or thier families. It is just a result of where we lived. Layoutshooter

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by theBeemer

Do you want me to post the links about how Obama is right in with them?

Thanks, but no. I'm not an idiot, I'm aware of what his ties and assiciations are. And if I were an idiot and didn't know, your posting it wouldn't help me any, 'cause I'm an idiot.

Now we all know Juan McCain was born in Panama..Maybe thats why he voted to give illegals medical benifits and ssi and is so friendly to them????

What about all the people who weren't born in another country and still voted to give illegals medical benefits and Social Security and are so friendly to them? Where do their loyalties lie? That's the problem with wacko illusory correlations, you see one thing that connects to another, like McCain-Panama and voting to give rights to illegals, and then you jump the quantum leap to now he's got loyalties to not just Panamanian illegals, but to all of them. Can't you see how absurd that thinking is? And unless you can prove a similar connection with everyone who has ever voted to give illegals benefits, your argument falls completely apart.

He's so friendly with them and voted the way he did because he is a Senator from Arizona, a hotbed of immigrant issues, both legal and illegal, and he has voters at home who feel very strongly about many of their illegal relatives and those issues.

Did I mention he was a POW too and his dad was an Admiral?

I'm not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if you did. Not that there's any news in that, since we've all known about it since he was shot down.

Did I mention he still lies about his fathers cover up of the USS Liberty???

No, I don't think you did, then again you may very well have. I don't really care one way or the other what he says about what his father said or did regarding the USS Liberty. It doesn't matter now and it won't affect the election one little bit, regardless.

[theBeemer]

Originally Posted by Turtle

Thanks, but no. I'm not an idiot, I'm aware of what his ties and assiciations are. And if I were an idiot and didn't know, your posting it wouldn't help me any, 'cause I'm an idiot.
Never once did I say you were an idiot. Never. Although you and your little lapdog have hurled insults at me I took them in stride I did say something to the tune of you being a know it all though

What about all the people who weren't born in another country and still voted to give illegals medical benefits and Social Security and are so friendly to them? Where do their loyalties lie? That's the problem with wacko illusory correlations, you see one thing that connects to another, like McCain-Panama and voting to give rights to illegals, and then you jump the quantum leap to now he's got loyalties to not just Panamanian illegals, but to all of them. Can't you see how absurd that thinking is? And unless you can prove a similar connection with everyone who has ever voted to give illegals benefits, your argument falls completely apart.
Yes it is isn't? Same as well he has a Muslim name he must be one and Anti Israeli and Anti American..Although those 60s radicals he keeps getting tied in with today are jewish


He's so friendly with them and voted the way he did because he is a Senator from Arizona, a hotbed of immigrant issues, both legal and illegal, and he has voters at home who feel very strongly about many of their illegal relatives and those issues.
So who care about the Americans who were born here..As long as I get reelected and make my friends rich who cares...I got all these unsuspecting goyim who back my play..did I mention he was a POW? How about a womanizer too? And again why does he care about illegals then his fellow Ameicans ? We don't get the benifits they do.We pay for them.What about the crime they bring? What about the standards of health and safety they destroy? Is getting relected more important? YES According to JUAN McCainoza it is,Although his wife worth billions, he has 7 houses why does he need to be president? For the money? He will get his carrer benifits from his senator gig. I just proved with the illegal bit he could care less about the country...Whats in it for him?

I'm not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if you did. Not that there's any news in that, since we've all known about it since he was shot down.

No, I don't think you did, then again you may very well have. I don't really care one way or the other what he says about what his father said or did regarding the USS Liberty. It doesn't matter now and it won't affect the election one little bit, regardless.

It should affect the election and every true American Patriot out there that this womanizing, lying, pandering flip flopper might win..By the way tell USS Liberty crew members that did survive the Israeli Attack on them that they and the crew members that got killed don't matter....do you want their email and phone numbers?

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by theBeemer

It should affect the election and every true American Patriot out there that this womanizing, lying, pandering flip flopper might win.

Yeah, but it won't. What should happen and what will happen are often two different things.

Womanizing? Puhleeze. The American people have demonstrated time and time again they don't care, or at least they don't care about it enough to make it the litmus test for office. Kennedy had Marilyn. Clinton introduced the notion that oral sex wasn't even sex to a whole new generation of teenagers, thus spawning a plethora of high school, and middle school, sex parties that continue to this day. The people luv Bill.

Lying? Golly, a politician that lies. I'm shocked. "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski."

Flip flopper? Equally shocked. Of course, everyday people not in politics can chage their mind anytime they want, but not a politician. Newp. Can't have any of that. Wouldn't be prudent. Na, ga, da.

By the way tell USS Liberty crew members that did survive the Israeli Attack on them that they and the crew members that got killed don't matter....

Why would I do that?

do you want their email and phone numbers?

No thanks, I'm good.

The USS Liberty, Gore losing Florida, Gulf of Tonkin, slavery, it happened, learn from it, get over it, move on with your life. That's not the same as it doesn't matter, 'cause it does. But it needs to be put in perspective.

Did you know that the day before the USS Liberty was attacked, Israeli pilots accidentally bombed one of their own armored columns?

Did you know that in 1988, the U.S. Navy mistakenly downed a passenger plane, killing 290 civilians?

Did you know that in April 1994, two U.S. Black Hawk helicopters with large U.S. flags painted on each side were shot down by U.S. Air Force F-15s on a clear day in the “no fly” zone of Iraq, killing 26 people?

In war time, shіt happens. Get over it.

In any event, Occam's Razor asks, what motive did Israel have in deliberately attacking the USS Liberty, a warship belonging to its only friend and ally in the war? What does the evidence show? Not the assumptions, not the conjecture, not the beliefs, but the actual evidence. It shows, without a doubt, that in the confusion of war, shіt happens.

Israel apologized for the USS Liberty and paid nearly $13 million in humanitarian reparations to the United States and to the families of the victims in amounts established by the U.S. State Department. The matter was officially closed between the two governments by an exchange of diplomatic notes on December 17, 1987. Get over it. Let it go. Learn from it. Get on with your life. No amount of whining and accusations will change one little bit of what happened.

[theBeemer]

Israel apologized for the USS Liberty and paid nearly $13 million in humanitarian reparations to the United States and to the families of the victims in amounts established by the U.S. State Department. The matter was officially closed between the two governments by an exchange of diplomatic notes on December 17, 1987. Get over it. Let it go. Learn from it. Get on with your life. No amount of whining and accusations will change one little bit of what happened.[/QUOTE]
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Why don't you find the proof this one here? Why does the surviveing crew still want an an apology.?.hmmmmmmmmmm
Yes Sir , show some proof a link perhaps..Im sure you can figure out how,,,,,,After you get done sweeping up the crumbs

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by theBeemer

Why don't you find the proof this one here?

Huh? The proof this one here? Huh? Are you so blinded with rage that you can't even type coherently?

Out of all that I said in the previous post, this is the only thing you have to comment on? You dismiss everything else including the most plausible reasons for what happened, and focus on this one thing.

Why does the surviveing crew still want an an apology.?.hmmmmmmmmmm

Mainly, they're still whining. It happened, it shouldn't have, but it did. They can't seem to fathom that it happened by accident, because they were oh, so perfect (not, the Liberty and its crew made more than its share of mistakes) so it must be something that everyone is trying to cover up. Get over it fellas. Remember the Alamo!

Yes Sir , show some proof a link perhaps..Im sure you can figure out how,,,,,,After you get done sweeping up the crumbs

Yeah, I can. But why should I? I've shown proof of many other things, but you dismiss it all unless it coincides with your skewed version of reality and conspiracy. There is no reason for me to post proof of anything here, as history has shown me that it's a waste of my time. But, if you want to go hunting for it (not that's it hard to find in many places), it's to be found on the State Department's Web site. Go fetch.