[tallcal101]

It's 2008 gentlemen. Your word game is obsolete and considered in bad tatse. However,I understand the nature and of the beast that seems to dominate this site,and this thread is in line with the core beliefs of many,not most,but many who dwell here. It's the lowest common denominator and I would expect nothing less.

Hint: All men are created equal.No list can defend against the shovels of materail being spead around here so I will respectfully await a more noteworthy thead to comment on.

[greg334]

Originally Posted by tallcal101

Hint: All men are created equal.No list can defend against the shovels of materail being spead around here so I will respectfully await a more noteworthy thead to comment on.

Well if that was the case, Tallcal, there would be no question that Obama should never ever bring up the idea that the race he partially belongs to has never made history or that we have to tolerate the prevelant ignorance about the real gains in our country.

The sad fact that in the eyes of many, any equality is not based on character but on color alone and to sit and say that this is 2008 blah blah blah, doesn't reconginize the division within the race that has been created by the race itself or the fact that race relations have for the most part been going backwards in the last 20 years.

It is not historical in any sense that Obama has been chosen to lead the democratic party in this election, what is historical is we have someone who is using race as a crutch to get elected, to feed on people's fear and thier lack of understanding of the person or knowing the false prophet that he really is. It is sad that we have to consider the question "is american ready to elect a black man?" because that question alone is very bigotted and very wrong to ask in 2008.

Turtle,
FDR was secertary of the Navy. He was in tune with the military and was also governor. He had a lot of experience during WW1 to know what was needed to get things done but he lacked organization skill akin like Grant. He would set his cabinet members against each other to fight for resources and sometimes lost issues until it was almost too late.

Wilson was the only president during WW1, he was not that good at all. To be exact, he sided with the french on many issues over Pershing and Pershing fought to keep control of the military. Many history books made it out that Wilson was on Pershings side but that is because many revised that part of history to show how great he was. His other military policies were even worst and his domestic policies were just unbeleivable (like restricting freedom of speech) but he ranks up there with Carter as one of them who really should not have been president at all - thinking the consitution was in the way.

I don't know where harding comes in, but he was the president who is a lot like Bush, he had a hard time speaking and sometimes made no sense at all. I think that Hoover should be on the short list of presidents who led but didn't hold any military experience.

[tallcal101]

Greg,I stand by the words of those who put this contraption together.When one of us use's the easy bait to excite the fish we all come up with empty lines.
You have become something of a very excitable boy of late,not the laid back commentator from the center that I used to know and love. I'm afraid your going to blow a gasket. I recall being accused of the same things back in 04 when I tried to warn against that second vote. It was if I had three nuts and two bolts loose,among other parts.

[arkjarhead]

Originally Posted by tallcal101

It's 2008 gentlemen. Your word game is obsolete and considered in bad tatse. However,I understand the nature and of the beast that seems to dominate this site,and this thread is in line with the core beliefs of many,not most,but many who dwell here. It's the lowest common denominator and I would expect nothing less.

Hint: All men are created equal.No list can defend against the shovels of materail being spead around here so I will respectfully await a more noteworthy thead to comment on.

Why say you are not going to comment on this thread when you already had? Makes no sense to me. Seems to me like if you weren't going to comment you would have...not commented.

[greg334]

Originally Posted by tallcal101

Greg,I stand by the words of those who put this contraption together.When one of us use's the easy bait to excite the fish we all come up with empty lines.
You have become something of a very excitable boy of late,not the laid back commentator from the center that I used to know and love. I'm afraid your going to blow a gasket. I recall being accused of the same things back in 04 when I tried to warn against that second vote. It was if I had three nuts and two bolts loose,among other parts.

Well Tallcal I get what you are saying but here is the thing, I seen this, the Obama rhetoric and spin somewhere else, a place far far away and at a scarier time. I don't want to see our country to turn into the cesspool of rhetoric and inaction and that is what we will end up with.

I studied these people for a long time, starting as a student at university to counter the 'socialist' there and then as part of other work and then to experience some things first hand, it all matters and all comes back to me. The handlers, the spin, the propagandist using the standards - all point to something that is way way beyond any race issue, beyond Bush and the last 8 years and all points to planned economies, more social programs to put people in boxes (meaning that they will be trapped) and more power taken from us and given to them.

I said before, I don't see prosperity with Obama, especially with Biden involved and then to read what Harry Ried said yesterday I can't even consider voting for him and have to try to convince others not to.

I do not, REPEAT do not like McCain, I am on Palin's side because she has neither the degree, attitude or the background that any of them have.

Now if you have traveled, you would understand what I mean about Euro trash and elitism, you would understand about disarming the population, you would understand the cult of personality and you would get what propaganda can do with a population whiped up to hate and division.

I have already seen some of the signs, things like "The Dreams of the people will come true with Obama". If people know where this came from, they will get what I am saying.

The truth is Tallcal, the dems have a lot of people who would make good and maybe even great presidents, but Obama, Biden and Hillary are not on that list. The same goes for the repubs, they have a lot of people eqaully good but not one of them show up on any of their list.

[layoutshooter]

Military experiance is NOT a requirement for the job, I did not mean to imply that alone. Any experiance would be nice. Like having held a real job. Doing is better than talking. Obama has never done, at least to my knowlege. He is very vauge about his past. Just stock bio's with a lot of book learning mentioned.

TalCal101, you don't know me or where I came from. I have never attacked the "race" (what ever that is, don't really believe there really is a such thing from what I learned in antropology) of Obama. I attack (politically) his lack of experinace, his Marxism, his stands on killing living babies etc. I have NOT talked about abortion in general, just letting babies die on a table. By the way, once born alive they have FULL protection under our constitution. More proof that Obama has no respect for it. I do not like socialism or marxism. The very ideas that they promote are contrary to the very "spirit" that allows man kind to over come almost anything put in front of him. Nothing is more powerful than the human spirit. When left to thier own devices almost anyone can over come. Obama's ideal will crush that spirit. The socialist/marxist/eleatist (**** I wish I could spell) does not believe that man can over come on his own. They believe that only they can "save" man from his inability. I don't know you, don't know your racial or ethnic backround and don't really care. It is not important. If you make your way through life on your own merit you are ok in my book. You could be from Mars for all I care. I have never forced anyone to do anything in my life, except my kids when they were growing up, I expect the same from everyone else. I will live my life as I please. That is why I fear Obama's ideas, he can only make them happen through force. I don't fear Obama himself, he is a bought and paid for little twerp. I have no real use for him. As for you, I don't think I have attacked you personally, if I have I am sorry. I expect the same in return. My list? Just a list of people I admire, not all conclusive by any means. On of the men I admire most is a white retarted man that has made more of his life on his own than all the Obama's combined will ever do. That man, his name is Steve Day, makes the most of the few gifts given him every day. He does not complain, whine, moan or *****. He just does. He supports himself (as best he can, not able to hold a real job, bags groceries) He volunteers his time for others he has never met, as a volunteer firefighter. Not able to fight fire he lifts, carries, cleans trucks, helps with fund raisers etc. Not for glory (like Obama) but because he sees the need of neighbors. My kind of man. Layoutshooter