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    Better read this and think about it..

    This is something you should be aware of so you don't get blind-sided.
    This is really going to catch a lot of families off guard. It should
    make you worry.

    Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:


    CAPITAL GAINS TAX

    MCCAIN
    0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not
    propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

    OBAMA
    28% on profit from ALL home sales

    How does this affect you?
    If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
    If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or
    move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home
    will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the
    income from their homes as part of their retirement income.

    DIVIDEND TAX

    MCCAIN 15% (no change)

    OBAMA 39.6%

    How will this affect you?
    If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds,
    college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays
    or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money
    earned on taxes if Obama become president. The experts predict that 'higher
    tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet
    do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.

    INCOME TAX

    MCCAIN (no changes)

    Single making 30K - tax $4,500
    Single making 50K - tax $12,500
    Single making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    Married making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 125K - tax $31,250

    OB A MA
    (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
    Single making 30K - tax $8,400
    Single making 50K - tax $14,000
    Single making 75K - tax $23,250
    Married making 60K - tax $16,800
    Married making 75K - tax $21,000
    Married making 125K - tax $38,750


    Under Obama your taxes will more than double!
    How does this affect you? No explanation needed. This is pretty
    straight forward.

    INHERITANCE TAX

    MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

    OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax

    How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses,
    farms and ranches, and homes that have
    been in their families for generations because they could not
    afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved
    ones will lose them because of these taxes.

    Everything above this level is accurate to a point. The BUSH taxes cuts were approved in the form of a 'sunset law', which expires in 2010. What this means is that CONGRESS must extend these cuts or they automatically revert back to the tax law prior to the cuts. CONGRESS doesn't have to do a thing to raise your taxes. They will just let the cuts expire, and don't even have to vote on it. The democrats in congress can actually say they did not vote for a tax increase. If it is allowed to expire, the tax rate for all working class folks will go up by an average of $3000 to $3500 per year?..automatically. Isn't that great? So this is not just about Obama for President. The congress in this election is at least as important as President. Just imagine.....Obama as President and NO congressional opposition. NOTHING could be worse.


    NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA

    * New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than
    2400 square feet.

    * New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)

    * New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating
    gas, water, electricity)

    * New taxes on retirement accounts
    and last but not least....

    * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same
    level of medical care as third-world countries!!!

    What all of this amounts to is this. The American working class, receiving regular paychecks from our employers, are now paying 25% to 30% of our income in taxes. If Obama becomes president and puts all of his proposed programs in place, with the help of a Liberal majority in congress, American working people will pay over 50% of our income in taxes to the US government to support all of the Obama/Liberal entitlement programs. Can we afford that?? I can?t!!!!!

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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    And yet with irrefutable evidence of the absolute disaster financially the koolaid drinkers will continue to drink and will vote for this absolute loser. How stupid is that?
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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    Once again, sources please! I'm not necessarily disagreeing,
    just would like to read it for myself.

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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    YES! we need to know where the source of all this info came from!

    Many times in the past.. things like this couldn't be backed up...so please reveal the source.

    I'd never vote for McCain in the 1st place cause he scares the crap out of me but if this is all fact then I'll not vote for Democrat either.

    Thanks

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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    Neither candidate makes tax laws . Congress does that . Same with health care . I still think the fair tax is the way to go .

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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    I think this belongs in the, "Soap Box Forum". It certainly isn't current events. LDB, is your response civil?
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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    Congress puts the budget up and the president approves it or not. No, the president can't put a budget in place, however he can approve one. If we have Pelosi and Reid putting the budget in with all sorts of tax increases Obama will be a rubber stamp. It doesn't all have to be true to be a train wreck in the making. You can't tax your way to prosperity as this crowd believes.

    Here's the capital gains tax. I plan to retire one day and use mutual funds and investments to get there so it's an important topic. That alone is enough reason to be wary.

    Obama Pushes for Higher Investment Taxes - Capital Commerce (usnews.com)
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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazynuff View Post
    Neither candidate makes tax laws . Congress does that .
    Aren't they senators? So technically they are the law makers.

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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    actually i think the executive branch (the pres) submits a budget to congress, this budget covers costs to operate the various departments of the govt : dept of defense, dept of trans, dept of health, etc ... then its up to congress to pass the laws to fund the budget .. and any other things they want to fund or not fund. they also pass the tax code used to provide the funds they then spend.
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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    Quote Originally Posted by always confused View Post
    actually i think the executive branch (the pres) submits a budget to congress, this budget covers costs to operate the various departments of the govt : dept of defense, dept of trans, dept of health, etc ... then its up to congress to pass the laws to fund the budget .. and any other things they want to fund or not fund. they also pass the tax code used to provide the funds they then spend.
    You are correct to a point.

    But the thing it, there is a difference between appropriations and approving.

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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    All I have to say is if Obama gets elected God help us all. Those of us who remember the Carter years it will be just as bad if not worse. Double digit inflation and 15-18% loan rates.


    You frigin' people... you have no idea how to defend a nation. All you did was weaken a country today, Obama. That's all you did. You put people's lives in danger. Sweet dreams, son.

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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    For those wanting to do a little light reading, the link below will take you to a matrix at the Tax Policy Center's website which compares the two candidates' tax plans. The Tax Policy Center is part of the Brookings Institute, so this info should be fairly objective. Notice the wordiness of the Obama proposals as opposed to simplicity of the McCain offerings. As in any legislation or contract the more details there are, the more places that exist for the devils to hide.


    TPC Tax Topics | 2008 Presidential Candidates' Tax Proposals

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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    Quote Originally Posted by louixo View Post
    This is something you should be aware of so you don't get blind-sided.
    This is really going to catch a lot of families off guard. It should
    make you worry.

    Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:


    CAPITAL GAINS TAX

    MCCAIN
    0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not
    propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

    OBAMA
    28% on profit from ALL home sales

    How does this affect you?
    If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
    If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or
    move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home
    will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the
    income from their homes as part of their retirement income.

    DIVIDEND TAX

    MCCAIN 15% (no change)

    OBAMA 39.6%

    How will this affect you?
    If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds,
    college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays
    or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money
    earned on taxes if Obama become president. The experts predict that 'higher
    tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet
    do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.

    INCOME TAX

    MCCAIN (no changes)

    Single making 30K - tax $4,500
    Single making 50K - tax $12,500
    Single making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    Married making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 125K - tax $31,250

    OB A MA
    (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
    Single making 30K - tax $8,400
    Single making 50K - tax $14,000
    Single making 75K - tax $23,250
    Married making 60K - tax $16,800
    Married making 75K - tax $21,000
    Married making 125K - tax $38,750


    Under Obama your taxes will more than double!
    How does this affect you? No explanation needed. This is pretty
    straight forward.

    INHERITANCE TAX

    MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

    OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax

    How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses,
    farms and ranches, and homes that have
    been in their families for generations because they could not
    afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved
    ones will lose them because of these taxes.

    Everything above this level is accurate to a point. The BUSH taxes cuts were approved in the form of a 'sunset law', which expires in 2010. What this means is that CONGRESS must extend these cuts or they automatically revert back to the tax law prior to the cuts. CONGRESS doesn't have to do a thing to raise your taxes. They will just let the cuts expire, and don't even have to vote on it. The democrats in congress can actually say they did not vote for a tax increase. If it is allowed to expire, the tax rate for all working class folks will go up by an average of $3000 to $3500 per year?..automatically. Isn't that great? So this is not just about Obama for President. The congress in this election is at least as important as President. Just imagine.....Obama as President and NO congressional opposition. NOTHING could be worse.


    NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA

    * New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than
    2400 square feet.

    * New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)

    * New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating
    gas, water, electricity)

    * New taxes on retirement accounts
    and last but not least....

    * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same
    level of medical care as third-world countries!!!

    What all of this amounts to is this. The American working class, receiving regular paychecks from our employers, are now paying 25% to 30% of our income in taxes. If Obama becomes president and puts all of his proposed programs in place, with the help of a Liberal majority in congress, American working people will pay over 50% of our income in taxes to the US government to support all of the Obama/Liberal entitlement programs. Can we afford that?? I can?t!!!!!
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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    Here's some more food for thought directed at the "soak the rich" crowd, based on 2006 figures from the IRS:

    The top 1% of income earners (over $388,808) paid 40% of all US income taxes.

    The top 10% of income earners paid 71% of all US income taxes.

    The top 50% of income earners paid 97% of all US income taxes.

    THAT MEANS THE BOTTOM 50% OF ALL INCOME EARNERS PAID 3% OF ALL INCOME TAXES COLLECTED IN THE US IN 2006. According the the US Census Bureau the median household income in 2006 was $48,201.

    Maybe our congress should start thinking about spending less of our money than to continue dreaming up ways to take it from us.

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    Re: Better read this and think about it..

    Leo... I know your political stance would support this e-mail but I am quite surprised you extended any courtesy to this e-mail....looks like you been had and bought it up.....Wanna join Amway?
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