Global Warming, the religion of the nuts

[greg334]

You know that regardless what is being told to us, the facts are still cloudy and the scientific world is divided on the subject of global warming.

I still contend that this has become a religion and a money maker for many who should just take the gas pipe. Most people who take on the quest to end global warming still have a car, still have a house, and still produce garbage and buys products that are not in any way environmentally friendly – which leads me to say that they are just like any other elitist group – do as I say not as I do. Many of the people who are practicing the zero emissions or zero garbage are a very small minority and in some ways looked down upon by the environmental elitist.

Well two things I want to add here, one is that ALGORE is getting nominated for the Nobel Peace prize, which is a joke to begin with and second is this;

Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer, AP

“PARIS - Officials from 113 countries agreed Thursday that a much-awaited international report will say that global warming was "very likely" caused by human activity, delegates to a climate change conference said.

Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats are editing the new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in closed-door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously approved, is to be released Friday and is considered an authoritative document that could influence government and industrial policy worldwide.

Three participants said the group approved the term "very likely" in Thursday's sessions. That means they agree that there is a 90 percent chance that global warming is caused by humans.�

So after reading this, the last sentence in the quote bothers me. I mean that very likely means it is probable, not a fact. Very likely is not 90%.

I go back to the fact it looks like that this is not a solid science, there is no solid agreement with the scientific community and it is clear that some of these people are making money off all of this. The idea of this being an “authoritative document that could influence government and industrial policy worldwide� worries me seeing that this is edited by bureaucrats. This leads me to believe that we as the US should not follow the document but continue to worry about us and our environment.

What I mean is that this will lead us to provide funding to the UN or another group to help other countries, like India, to ‘fix’ their mess. (if you read all about the conference itself and the amount of people who are there, I ask why wasn’t this a telecommuting thing, seeing that they are talking about global warming which is caused by humans, wouldn’t a huge teleconference been a good idea?). I don’t see an inclusion of a small minority of scientist who has been trying to point out that the Sun has a lot to do with the temperature of the earth and it is coming into a warming period. But I do see that there is a mention again that there will be a rise the oceans which is a highly contested subject, seeing that most of the ice is floating on the ocean and the rise according to a lot of scientists won’t be the 2 feet but maybe 3 inches.


OH, I got to add this too.

It seems that there is a Zero Carbon movement going on with the celebs, reading an article;

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20...bon_footprints

There are a few things I find really odd but goes back to my point of teleconfrencing and money making;

"But green business can be good business, especially when a trend is so hot: The New Oxford American Dictionary declared "carbon neutral" its "word of the year for 2006," for inclusion in its 2007 edition."

Now it is a trend, something like getting the latest iPod, how nice.

AND

Eric Parent, an engineer who quit a job in waste management to start Climat Mundi in June, says polluting without offsetting could become as frowned upon as littering.

"It remains socially very acceptable to vacation on the other side of the world or to travel for a weekend to another country in Europe on a low-cost airline," Parent said in a telephone interview. "Growing awareness of global warming and the fact that we, as individuals, can now compensate for our emissions — which wasn't the case four to five years ago ... will, in my opinion, make traveling without compensating far less acceptable."

WRONG, the idea of Carbon Neutral has always been there and has been possible for anyone, it is called plant a tree or plant lots of trees.

AND

"The French government is funding Climat Mundi's Eritrean stove project to compensate for this week's meeting in Paris on climate change. Bringing together some 500 people from all over the world for the conference is expected to produce some 1,100 tons of carbon dioxide."

OK let's teleconference next time.

AND finally

DiCaprio in the past has offset his carbon through organizations that plant trees and is "looking at various options" for 2007, according to Chuck Castleberry of the Leonardo DiCaprio Foundation, which the "Titanic" star started in 1998 to promote environmental awareness. The actor switched recently to a Honda Accord hybrid car and has solar panels on his Los Angeles home.

GOod for him, why not take the money he has made and invest in some law makers to give us real tax credits to get solar panels, promote bio fuels for home use and get Honda, Ford and other companies to cut the profits out of green vehicles so everyone can afford them.

[arkjarhead]

hopefully if global warming is true it will put cali under water. time to buy that ocean front property in arizona.:P

[lanier1]

You just can't help yourself tallcal. Again, a 100% liberal, emotional response. It is you, and your ilk, that thinks the Hollywood crowd has some magic insight just because they are celebreties. I would give much more credibility to someone who is actually doing something than someone making a movie about it. Do you really think Al Gore is on track about global warming? If so, do you think he also invented the internet? Do you think Madonna, Rosie, Barbara Streisand, John Travolta, that idiot that played BJ on MASH, Ed Asner and all the rest are truly blessed with infinite knowledge just because they are famous? I tell you they are not. I don't believe that Arnold, Tom Selleck or any of the others are either. They are entertainers, comics or just bad actors. They are not the know it alls many in this country think although some have turned into decent public servants.

You can make fun of the truckers on this sight if you like and attempt to talk down to them but I will tell you I hear alot more intelligence voiced on here than I do the television you are obviously worshiping.

[lanier1]

tallcall wrote:

"Not to demoralize you Greg,but that ****ed liberal bunch out in Hollywood decided that Mr. Gore and his goofy little picture show was at least good enough for an OACAR NOMINATION!!"




The emphasis and obvious importance you put on an Oscar nomination tells it all.

[tallcal101]

Hey D,do yourself a favor and buy a newspaper today.
There's a small meeting of some more dimwitted scientist from around the world(surly all liberals)going on in Paris.One of the really liberal rags,The Washington Post,has an in depth artcle that you might find interesting(maybe not,I'm sure it' easier to call names)but give it a try,just for the pure liberal bashing joy of it.
You may learn something.

[lanier1]

I did read the article and did a little research beyond that on the IPCC (took about 2 minutes). Did you know the people that compile this report do no research of thier own? This is a quote from thier homepage:

The IPCC does not carry out research nor does it monitor climate related data or other relevant parameters. It bases its assessment mainly on peer reviewed and published scientific/technical literature.

Now, what that means to me is they can choose the reports and data that support the conclusions they want to represent.

I have no doubt you could compile test results and studies to support the opposing viewpoint. Don't take everything you read at face value. Dig a little deeper.

You're startin to dig me aren't ya tallcal.

:P :P :-)

[Tennesseahawk]

There's research out there that states the world is getting warmer... because the Sun is getting hotter. Makes a heckuva lot more sense. Plus... the US wouldn't have to get bullied into cutting back on their pollution when the rest of the world is getting a free pass. The Kyoto Treaty was a crock, and W knew it. How can you agree to something that critical to our country without having concrete evidence supporting it?

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas

[cheri1122]

How can you agree to something that critical
>to our country without having concrete evidence supporting
>it?

Um, by taking advice from Cheney & Rumsfeld?

[tallcal101]

When I need comic relief from my daily grind I check out the respond's to my postings.You guys never let me down, especially Ark,you da' man!

[lanier1]

You didn't even mention me... I'm truly hurt.:( x(

[arkjarhead]

Tallcal I knew you would like it.

[highway star]

This may be a dumb question, but I wonder what caused the warming and cooling cycles that happened before the evil humans started causing it? Dinosaurs were pretty big, so that had to be a lot of flatulance!

[arkjarhead]

yeah highway instead of green house gas it was bean house gas.

[greg334]

Well I got to ask, why is it that this report has been called a scientific report when there are no established science methods used?

I mean harkening back to a South Park episode, Gnomes, where the Underpants Gnomes who are a community of underground gnomes who steal underpants, notably from one character Tweek.

The Underpants Gnomes have a three-phase business plan, consisting of:

1. Collect Underpants
2. ???
3. Profit!

When confronted about the missing step 2, they were dumbfounded that anyone would ask about it.

So applying this to the latest report and the religion of global warming, I see it this way;

Step 1 – collect information

Step 2 - ???

Step 3 – report that we are destroying the planet.

I read a lot about the different environmental movements and have to point out that we as a community of truckers (or what ever you call it) are the ones on the front line, the ones who will be the first to be forced to change our way of life to possibly support a fallacy.

I don’t like being told I am destroying something that no one has yet proven under the proper and well establish methods used by a few hundred years of serious scientific research.

I also don’t like being told that I have to change while the people who are preaching to me and you still live in the rather unrealistic size house, work in an industry that pollutes more than I ever could and won’t give up their live style or lively hood in order to make a change.

There is a lot of evidence that was left out of this and the previous report, one being the hard evidence that we have gone through a warming period 1000 years ago and the fact that Greenland was names so to reflect that it was, well GREEN.

The other thing is that this report and the contributors have a financial stake in the entire thing, without the deceit they would not be able to make any money.

[Pilgrim]

According to historical records of the time, there were grapevines growing in Scotland (and the resulting wineries) between the 10th and 13th centuries AD. The climate and temps of that era resulted in conditions of the northern Atlantic ocean which allowed the Vikings to travel more extensively in their primitive ships without being capsized than would have otherwise have been possible in later centuries. In other words, there was an even more pronounced global warming phase at a time which preceded the industrial age.

I heard this bit of scientific trivia while listening to an interview of some scientist on NPR in the wee hours of the AM on the way to South Bend, IN night before last. However, this sort of recorded factual information means nothing to a self-serving popinjay like Al Gore. He and Michael Moore would make a cute pair at the Oscars. Maybe they could run on the Green Party ticket in '08 - I can see the GORE/MOORE bumper stickers now.