Pirating

**LDB** · 03-19-2010, 09:32 PM

You don't execute any and all passengers on any and all boats just because they are smaller. You do safely presume a boat filled with rocket propelled grenades and launchers, machine guns, grappling hooks etc. is a pirate ship and you send it and it's contents to the ocean floor. Quite simple really.

**witness23** · 03-19-2010, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by LDB

I'm watching an interesting show on Naval surface warfare. One big problem is piracy, with almost 300 cases in 2008 alone. Why is it not policy that any pirates caught are immediately executed and dumped into the sea?

Kind of like this?

Hostage captain rescued; Navy snipers kill 3 pirates

Hostage captain rescued; Navy snipers kill 3 pirates - CNN.com

**Turtle** · 03-19-2010, 10:16 PM

Well, I'm not sure how one would go about taking inventory of an approaching boat to find out what is on board, but in any case, here's one that looks like it might possibly, maybe, might have some grenades, launchers, machine guns, and likely a grappling hook or two. Looks menacing enough to me. Fire away!!!!

Whoops, wait a minute. They're the wrong color. I wonder who they are? Or, rather, were?

**jaminjim** · 03-19-2010, 10:45 PM

Their clear, ..... no grappling hook.

**Pilgrim** · 03-19-2010, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan

Well If a ship is attacked the Captain can order to shoot to kill to defend themselves...and sink the attacking ship...

this nonsense of boarding the ship and taking away their weapons and letting them go free is just silly...

OVM, you've hit the nail on the head with this simple yet effective solution. The idea of giving due process to some barbarian caught in the act of climbing over the side of your vessel with an AK-47 is naive and dangerous. These freighters need to hire some Blackwater contractors for security. They'll be glad to kill the aggressors, feed them to the sharks and sink their boat - problem solved. Once this happens a few times these clowns will go back to mugging people on street in Mogadishu.

**LDB** · 03-19-2010, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by witness23

Kind of like this?

Hostage captain rescued; Navy snipers kill 3 pirates

Hostage captain rescued; Navy snipers kill 3 pirates - CNN.com

Yes, kind of exactly like that.

**LDB** · 03-19-2010, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Turtle

Well, I'm not sure how one would go about taking inventory of an approaching boat to find out what is on board

It's done by helicopter with a system that images appearance wise sort of like FLIR. It gives an excellent representation of the individuals as well as weapons etc. on board. It's even more apparent and absolute though when they are attempting to board ship armed with heavy firepower.

**RLENT** · 03-20-2010, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by LDB

Why is it not policy that any pirates caught are immediately executed and dumped into the sea?

Originally Posted by LDB

I believe in due process ....

Well, from your first statement above, I would say you: 1. have a misunderstanding of what the words "due process" actually mean, and how they might apply in actual situations in the real world, or 2. are knowingly misrepresenting your postion (that would otherwise be known as lying), or 3. are kidding yourself that you actually believe in it (IOW, self-delusion)

(Personally my bet is on all three)

.... how exactly do you "believe" in due process ?

.... as some sort of nebulous, esoteric, abstract concept ... that has no applicability in the real world ?

Is it something that you "believe" in ..... until you watch some show on the one-eyed monster (a very good way to allow oneself to be hypnotized) that pushes your buttons and sets off your emotions .... until you just wanna lash out "punish" the evil-doers at any cost ?

Can you even tell me - why did man develop due process - what was, and is, it's purpose ?

Originally Posted by LDB

Unfortunately two primary groups are against common sense. 1. Lawyers, who don't want common sense as it would significantly reduce their opportunities for abuse and excess and 2. Liberals, who operate from emotions and feelings and can't mentally cope with common sense.

Many of your posts in the Soapbox are a text-book classic case of someone who lets their emotions control their thoughts ......

You really believe you are thinking ..... I believe all you are doing is ....... reacting ...... whenever some external stimuli hits somewhere within your range of perception. It is a kind of low-order thought I suppose ..... but I sure wouldn't call it analytical thought .....

The statements above, regarding common sense are actually great examples of it: I watched this _____ (fill in the blank) ... and then I had this thought _____ (fill in the blank) .....

External stimulus -----> reaction

Of course, your premise in the last item I quoted above, is an utterly simplistic view and characterization, which, in the specific (dealing with the entirety of the specific individuals who comprise either class - lawyers or liberals), can never possibly be true. As such, your statement is, in fact, a lie - and that would make you .....

Well, you get the point .....

I'm curious - would you say that John Yoo - who was the author of the Bybee memo, which laid the "legal basis" for the Bush-era use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" in the War on Terror - didn't want common sense ?

What about Jay Bybee .... or any other of the "Bush Six" ?

All of these men were lawyers.

BTW, while we're on the subject of lawyers ...... you do realize that 35 of 55 Founding Fathers - the men who founded this country - were, in fact, lawyers ?

Seems to me that they possessed quite a bit of common sense (and more importantly, a good bit of uncommon sense) .... it's unfortunate, that some of those who followed in their footsteps weren't quite as well endowed ....

**RLENT** · 03-20-2010, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by Turtle

Questions can always be asked later if necessary.

Who would we ask ? ... oh, wait .... nevermind ...

Originally Posted by Turtle

..... but in any case, here's one that looks like it might possibly, maybe, might have some grenades, launchers, machine guns, and likely a grappling hook or two. Looks menacing enough to me. Fire away!!!!

LOL .... yeah .... I'm pretty sure those are pirates ......

**RLENT** · 03-20-2010, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by LDB

It's done by helicopter with a system that images appearance wise sort of like FLIR. It gives an excellent representation of the individuals as well as weapons etc. on board. It's even more apparent and absolute though when they are attempting to board ship armed with heavy firepower.

Like FLIR eh ? ...... that's some pretty good stuff ..... I believe the FBI and ATF used that FLIR stuff to help slaughter 76 people (including more than 20 children, and two pregnant women) down there in Waco, TX .........

..... sounds just great !!!

**chefdennis** · 03-20-2010, 10:37 AM

LOL, told you so Leo, well in a round about way at least!! You reactionary "caveman" you!!!

**Turtle** · 03-20-2010, 11:05 AM

I heard Carnival Cruise Lines, Norwegian Cruise Lines, and Maersk, got together and bought 350 FLIR-equipped helicopters. That way they can get a good look at the RPGs that are being fired at the helicopters, just before they're blown out of the sky.