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    Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    1st Baltimore, then Washington, now NYC....If this isn't enough to pull all federal funding for this "friends of barry" group, then we can be totally assured that this is the most corrupt adminastration in our history.....

    'Pimp & hooker' catch B'klyn staffBy JEREMY OLSHAN

    Last Updated: 9:42 AM, September 14, 2009

    Posted: 3:30 AM, September 14, 2009
    ACORN Employees caught at Brooklyn office helping hookers launder earnings

    The scandal surrounding the left-wing activist organization ACORN has spread to New York, with employees at its Brooklyn office caught on video helping supposed ladies of the night get loans for their dream houses of ill repute.

    Rather than reminding the women that prostitution is dangerous and illegal and advising them to change their careers, counselors at the social-services group shockingly offer suggestions on how they can launder their earnings.


    'UNDERCOVER': James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles show off the not-so-subtle costumes they wore during their ACORN stings.
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    "Honesty is not going to get you the house," a loan counselor at the offices told two activists posing as a mortgage-seeking pimp and prostitute.

    "You can't say what you do for a living."

    VIDEO: PROSTITUTION SCANDAL AT ACORN

    ACORN workers in two other cities, Baltimore and Washington, DC, had already fallen hooker, line and sinker for the hidden-camera sting operation by two conservative activists.

    Four ACORN employees have been fired as a result of the earlier videos, and last Friday the Census Bureau severed its ties with the group, whose members had been hired to do canvassing during the 2010 census.

    In an unrelated outrage, ACORN was accused of widespread voter fraud during the 2008 presidential election by helping unqualified voters to register.

    As in prior videos released by the filmmaking team of James O'Keefe, 25, and Hannah Giles, 20, employees of the group -- which specializes in housing and voter activism -- were eager to dispense advice on gaming the system and skirting the law.

    "You know, what goes on in the house we don't care," one counselor said. "We just help you with the mortgage."

    O'Keefe and Giles were garishly dressed as a stereotypical pimp and prostitute. O'Keefe was decked out in excessively snazzy flesh-peddler couture, and Giles, going by the name "Eden," wore almost nothing.

    The ACORN workers were not the slightest bit judgmental or put off by the request for help in getting financing for a brothel.

    Counselor Volda Albert freely offered financial advice to the young couple, and held back on giving out any life advice.

    "I can't tell you don't do it, because you won't listen to me," Albert said.

    For tax and banking purposes, and to establish a legitimate income and credit history, Giles was told she needed to start saying she was a "freelancer."

    "Don't say that you're a prostitute thing or whatever," she said.

    Albert also suggested that Giles open two accounts at separate banks, depositing no more than $500 each a week to ensure few eyebrows are raised.

    As for the rest of the money she earned from turning tricks, Albert told her to hide it away

    "When you buy the house with a back yard. You get a tin . . . and bury it down in there, and you put the money right in, and you put grass over it, and you don't tell a single soul but yourself where it is," she said.

    Albert even had advice on protecting O'Keefe from getting tied by authorities to Giles' prostitution.

    Her illegally obtained revenue could be given to O'Keefe through an intermediary, and then he could use it for a down payment on the house by applying for a "no doc" loan.

    In the earlier videos, counselors offered similar suggestions to a "prostitute," telling her to list her occupation as "performance artist," and even offering advice on how to claim as dependants underage girls recruited for the business.

    Milagros Rivera, the Brooklyn office administrator advised Giles, "don't get caught -- it's against the law what you are doing, and there's a chance you'll get caught."

    Before bidding them good luck, Albert offered two final suggestions.

    "Save for a rainy day," she said. "And live well."

    O'Keefe, who majored in philosophy at Rutgers University, said he and Giles funded the project themselves. This kind of undercover, guerrilla tactic is the "future of investigative journalism and political activism," he said.

    Inspired by "Rules for Radicals," Saul Alinsky's bible for rabble-rousing, more often associated with the left, O'Keefe said he has been targeting and exposing the "absurdities of the enemy by employing their own rules and language."

    "If you can make impossible demands on your enemy, you can destroy them," he said.

    So he began using a hidden camera "in a location I'd rather not disclose" and started visiting ACORN offices around the Northeast.

    As with a series of videos O'Keefe made in 2008, in which Planned Parenthood employees agreed to earmark his donations for the abortions of African-American babies, he said he expected ACORN would yield maybe "a few gotcha moments."

    "But we never imagined they would all comply -- it's just disgusting they didn't just throw us out of the office," he said.

    In a statement released Saturday, ACORN said that it could not defend the actions of its employees but that what O'Keefe and Giles did was criminal.

    "And, in fact, a crime it was -- our lawyers believe a felony -- and we will be taking legal action against Fox and their co-conspirators," the statement said.

    Fox News aired the Baltimore and Washington tapes.

    O'Keefe said, "ACORN wants it both ways."

    "You can't fire the employees and then say I have defamed them," he said.

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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    Why should the film makers be put in jail? Especially when the local cops, the feds and everyone else turns a blind eye toward this sleazy outfit because of their mostly black membership and their close ties to Obama. Wonder how many cathouses and crack dens they've helped set up in all these major metro areas that nobody knows about? And then there's the voter intimidation case in Philly that our new Atty. General refused to prosecute - I'll bet that's not an isolated incident. ACORN is a criminal enterprise and it's about time somebody had the guts to expose them for what they are. Besides, 60 Minutes and 20-20 send hidden camera crews out all the time doing this exact type of expose' for "investigative journalism" purposes. It's about time conservatives started playing by the same rules as the liberals, and hopefully we'll see more of it.
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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    Quote Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan View Post
    the film makers, ACORN should all be thrown in jail...
    You sure do think "funny".....




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    Quote Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan View Post
    Why? because it suits your political agendas?

    When does wrongful taping of another citizen regardless of who they work for make it right? If ya stoop to the liberal way, that makes you just as bad and lowers your standing...
    Wrong again, O cranky one.......it suits "my agenda" whether it's political or otherwise for fraud to be exposed....ESPECIALLY when it's MY tax dollars at work (for lack of a better word). Investigative reporting has been around for years and has exposed many a corrupt person, as it should be. Problem is, the MSM choose to turn their heads to anything that might touch this presidency, surely you don't condone that?

    Wrongful taping?? How about wrongful use of tax payer dollars?? This is just the tip of the iceberg.




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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    Quote Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan View Post
    No I don't condone that....
    catching employees won't do much...they'll get fired and ACORN will deny til the cows come home.....
    The more exposure, the greater the public outcry and sooner or later, Congress will have to call for an investigation. Some have in the past and "the call" came down to stop it. More are beginning to repeat that call now and with the exposure, if it isn't addressed, it becomes another thorn in the butt that this administration cannot afford.




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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    So should 20/20 and all the other network shows all be arrested for every one of their hidden camera reports as well?

    ACORN could easily argue no involvement if there were only one recording and could vainly argue with two recordings but with three different locations being caught there's no way for them to plausibly deny they are instructing their people in how to do this and condoning their actions.
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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    Hey OVM, I look at it this way.

    The female of the two cohorts from all I can read is a legitimate journalist, she is doing this freelance and irregardless what her agenda is, she is protected under the first amendment (as much as I hate to say that).

    Now this is not a documentary, it is a news piece just like what NBC does with guys chasing underage girls - it is the same exact thing. They really don't have to worry about wiretap laws, the courts have said that clearly - people who are doing their job as journalist have the right to record others and put it on TV/Radio or print it without their permission.

    Taking this one step further, when you look at this from the angle of a documentary, where is the critism of Micheal Moore and his take on a documentary. He is not a journalist, he actually who actually entraps people, hijacks people and lies about what he will present and not present. He does some very good editing to come up with a result that he wants to fulfill his very twisted poltical agenda. He is the one who should be looked into for wiretapping charges, for recording people and not getting their permission to use their comments.

    When you think about it, we have a very twisted sense of priorities in this country and I have heard some sharp but proper critisism - we worry about stupid stuff, health care to abortion but our basic fundimental right to control our destiny we tend not to be so concern about it, which is our right to have a fair election and protection of that right. For every peice of fraudulant ballot, for every false registration, it is one more step towards cheapening our rights, removing us farther from the control of our lives and should be on everyone agenda to demand that the government protects that right over all of the other rights.
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    FILM-MAKERS put a SPOTLIGHT on the ****roaches!! Oh I mean obumers ex-resume!

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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    Quote Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan View Post
    After another cuppa coffee and some thought...I relent...to agree with ya all.....
    Finger to the wind.......




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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    Quote Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan View Post
    whats with the BOLD?.....

    sometimes DD.....never mind...*LOL* where are ya's?
    Regular or BOLD.....message remains the same.....




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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

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    finger in the wind? I don't get it....
    Does one put their finger in the wind to test which way it's blowing?




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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    For some of us, and I am not including Diesel there because I just don't know - the bold is easier on the eyes.
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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    Quote Originally Posted by greg334 View Post
    For some of us, and I am not including Diesel there because I just don't know - the bold is easier on the eyes.
    Correct Greg, the bold is easier to see!!!




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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    Sometimes I just let him rant knowing that you all will bring him around!

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    Re: Acorn AGAIN, this time NYC....

    Quote Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan View Post
    finger in the wind? I don't get it....
    Like a feather in the wind....you go with the wind.....next time just flip a coin....don't go with the flow, only dead fish go with the flow....lol "Palin"
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