Haz-mat regulations

[aileron]

As it is apparently permissible to post portions of private msgs, I hereby offer the entire msg, in self defense [and truthfulness rather than deception]:

Please forgive the comments I made to you while under the impression that you knew and accepted the risks of posting in a public forum [kudos to ridicule & everything in between] and that you are prepared to defend whichever comments may be challenged, and that as an adult, you don't require the assistance of the Mods to do so.
O, and also for calling you a childish and petulant little weasel, too, you childish and petulant little weasel.

BTW: the "old saying" [mis]quoted is: "People who live in glass houses shouldn't THROW STONES." The 'naked' part exists only in your mind.

Cheri,
Could you please stop this? This has nothing to do with Hazmat regulations.

[cheri1122]

Nor did the posting of a bit of a PM, but you didn't object to that, did you?
I have the right to defend myself against false accusations, misleading portrayals, selective quotes, etc, and when they appear, I will.
Would you do otherwise?

[Crazynuff]

This is really interesting.

I won't write all of this but here is the short story. I am responsible for that shipment on the road. If I have an accident and my paper work is sloppy, than I will end up with the problems, not the shipper, not the carrier. Even though the shipper will get p*ssed off, and I have had a couple of them get really mad, I don't move the truck with a Hazmat load on it unless their paper work is perfect and they sign my contact info.

I can't afford the cost of messing up and you can't either. Just the clean up of one Hazmat spill near where my truck vacations cost the driver and carrier more than a million dollars and that was just the clean up company's work, the state charge the carrier somethign like $125k for tying up the emerguency vehicles and closing down the road and the City of Detroit has yet billed the carrier for the extra work from what went down in the drains.

Wednesday morning a FedEx Freight set of doubles was in a wreck on I-75 in Cincinatti and spilled 3 50 gallons of paint that took 15 hours for hazmat crews to clean up . Anybody care to guess the cost of that cleanup ?
Paint spill creates I-75 mess | Kentucky Enquirer | nky.com

[x06col]

Flattop: either you are deliberately antagonizing me, or you're too stupid to be driving a CMV.
Which is it?

Hey Missie, you becomming the cumrudgin??? Maybe ya need a good weekend at the lake???

[Turtle]

Nor did the posting of a bit of a PM, but you didn't object to that, did you?

For the record, I was going to respond to his posting of a snippet of a PM, because it was clearly done out of spite to incite. Posting a PM or a private e-mail to a public form is a long standing breach of Netiquette, not to mention just plain rude. But I decided not to respond to it, as any response would be redundant, since the posting of the snippet already clearly shows the maturity level of the poster, that of being grossly immature. I'll leave it at that and will take the rest of it to a PM, in the hopes that what I say in the PM doesn't end up being published here.

[Turtle]

Wednesday morning a FedEx Freight set of doubles was in a wreck on I-75 in Cincinatti and spilled 3 50 gallons of paint that took 15 hours for hazmat crews to clean up . Anybody care to guess the cost of that cleanup ?
Paint spill creates I-75 mess | Kentucky Enquirer | nky.com

Depends on it if was actual HAZMAT, which it didn't appear to be. Everything they did to clean it up, including the cleanup crew wearing casual work shoes and not the standard boots of a HAZMAT team, indicates a non-HAZMAT water-based paint.

[cheri1122]

I apologize to everyone for taking what ought to be a private disagreement public. In my defense, I made every effort to resolve it in private first, but got nowhere.
When I am accused of something, I'm not going to ignore it - call it a personality defect, but it's how I feel.
And for the record: I stand by my words. IMO, anyone who hauls hazmat without knowing whether it's even legal to do so, is too stupid to drive a CMV.

[Turtle]

And for the record: I stand by my words. IMO, anyone who hauls hazmat without knowing whether it's even legal to do so, is too stupid to drive a CMV.

That's why they make vans and Sprinters.

[cheri1122]

Hey Missie, you becomming the cumrudgin???

I couldn't hope to fill your shoes, Col.

Maybe ya need a good weekend at the lake???

Absolutely - you offering one?

[nightcreacher]

no one ever offers to take me to the lake

[Crazynuff]

no one ever offers to take me to the lake

Have you ever posted pm's in a thread ?

[Crazynuff]

Depends on it if was actual HAZMAT, which it didn't appear to be. Everything they did to clean it up, including the cleanup crew wearing casual work shoes and not the standard boots of a HAZMAT team, indicates a non-HAZMAT water-based paint.

True but a 15 hour cleanup is still expensive . You can still see the paint on the highway about the 2 mm . As far as the attire of the crews , I've had HAZWOPER training and the lack of proper PPE show in photos of hazmat wrecks never ceases to amaze me . It is my belief that every licensed driver should have training to give them basic hazmat awareness . The average motorist doesn't have a clue what placards indicate and aren't aware of possible dangers if they stop at a hazmat accident scene . At the very least everyone should be taught to give 911 operators the UN numbers on placards of vehicles involved so responders know right away what they will be facing .

[Turtle]

I agree. I think the regular operator's license test should include everything that's on the CDL test, too. There's a wealth of information in the CDL testing that most motorists don't have a clue about. Things as simple as the Bozo's who park themselves in the center lane and go whatever speed they like, with the attitude that if someone wants to pass them, there's two other lanes in which to do it, never realizing that trucks are restricted from the left lane and it's illegal to pass on the right. There ya go.

Most motorists aren't even aware, don't even notice, whether or not a truck has placards, and even of they see the placards, they don't really know what it means. So when they call in an accident, they don't know to relay HAZMAT information. As a result, one of the key tools of a First Responder is a good pair of binoculars.

But if you at least know that it's a possible danger, you can take extra precautions. I know even driving down the road I'll view a truck a little differently, maybe pay a little more attention to it, depending on what HAZMAT Class is on board, even if I don't bother to look up the UN number to know precisely what it is. All Classes are serious, but some are a little more serious than others.

[piper1]

Things as simple as the Bozo's who park themselves in the center lane and go whatever speed they like, with the attitude that if someone wants to pass them, there's two other lanes in which to do it

Someone on here recently advocated that as a safe way to drive their big truck in a city, a CDL holder to boot!

I like your logic Turtle, but stupidity comes from the brain, regardless of the contents of the wallet.

[Moot]

On an urban freeway with three or more lanes, the right lane is generally designated for local traffic (exiting and entering) and the other lanes are for through traffic.