David Letterman - Prince of Late Night Cowardice

[tallcal101]

Diva,please answer the question (I've heard all the rest before from Ms. Greg,leader of the civil rights and womens liberation corps in Detroit).Please give me the name of the authors of your movement so I may learn from them.Liberated conservatives is just a new concept for me,silly old me for wanting to know more. If you made it up,thats fine,then you should write the book.

Greg,as far as I know you are a wind bag who drives a truck and never worked in an office except in your wild imagination.I work in an office every day,as Vice President,and deal with these issues daily.Our handbook clearly outlines the rules of the road for what is and is not acceptable and legal behavior.Our council is an African American woman who knows her S**t you phony creep. You have so much gall to even mention your experience in an office setting with your biggeted and racially inflamed rhetoric.It's a joke.

I don't talk about "when I worked in an office",I do it dude.The buck stops at my office door for my staff of men and women. This cr*p about the conservative womens agenda is not law,it's an excuse for trying to have it both ways,typical for the group that hang their sorry hats around this place.

I wish I could respect your opinion on this topic,but I'm afraid your spinning your wheels,literally,and have told so many tall stories about your past they are frankly difficult to believe.Stick to what you know,your a one man act and can only dream of really having to be in a position of promoting women based on their merrit.Keep dreaming Greg,maybe your dreams will come true some day.

[aristotle]

If Sarah Palin seeks the GOP nomination in 2012, she has my vote in the primary and general election. I wouldn't underestimate her appeal with social conservatives. We social conservatives haven't had a bonafide candidate since Reagan. However, the arithmetic still favors the liberals, as Democrats have a huge advantage in voter registration.

There is a decent chance the Obamas, either Barack or Michelle, will stumble badly and voters will grow disenchanted with the novelty of having these two in the White House. I suspect the bloom will be off the Obama rose soon. There will be significant backlash to all this runaway liberalism/socialism.

Yeah, the Dems fear Sarah Palin. They are going to extraordinary lengths to demean her and her family, right now. Every time Palin is disparaged by the liberal media, or their proxies such as Letterman, she gains in stature. The campaign for 2012 is underway.

[Turtle]

I don't think the Dems fear her as much as they see her as an easy target. Granted, mostly for the wrong reasons, but she's an easy target just the same. They probably should fear her, though, but most are either too smug or to ignorant to fear her. Certainly not enough Democrats, or the all-important "undecideds" would likely vote for her - at this juncture - but that could change. My beef with her isn't her family, or even her moral hypocrisy, it's her political record with some of her ethics, and it's troubling.

She waffled like crazy on the Bridge to Nowhere, then when the national spotlight hit the bridge and she had no choice, she finally killed the project, stating during the presidential campaign that she had essentially told Congress, "thanks, but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere," but kept the $450 million just the same, thank you very much.

She chaired the Alaskan Oil and Gas Conservation Commission as Ethics Supervisor for a year and a half, then resigned over a lack of ethics of her fellow Republican members, and even filed formal complaints against two of them after she resigned. As governor, in 2007 she championed and signed into law major ethics reforms for Alaskan government. So far, so good.

But then came the firing of the Public Safety Commissioner and the whole Troopergate thing. The State Legislature hired an investigator (the Branchflower Report), not to investigate whether Palin had the authority to fire the Commissioner, she definitely did have that authority, but to investigate her motives and ethics behind the firing, whether she, along with her husband, her staff, and the State Attorney General, put pressure on the Commissioner to fire the trooper, since the reason of "performance issues" did not match up with the exemplary performance reviews that the governor had been giving the Commissioner. Palin then ordered her own internal investigation, where she essentially investigated herself and her staff and others, and ended up admitting that, "pressure could have been perceived to exist, although I have only now become aware of it." That just doesn't smell right.

After getting a preview of the Branchflower Report, and right after getting picked by McCain, she asked the Legislature to cease its investigation, stating that they had no jurisdiction, and that only the State Personnel Board can rule on ethics, which is true. The State Personnel Board consists of three members, all of which are Palin appointees.

A month later the Branchflower Report was released, and it was not flattering at all to the governor's ethics. The report concluded that she did not break the law, but that she abused her power, and violated the Execute Branch Ethics Act that she herself helped to push through the Legislature. One of the violations was that she allowed her husband to use the governor's office to contact subordinate state employees to help put pressure on getting the trooper fired, which is nearly identical to one of the formal complaints that she filed against a member of the Alaskan Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, who was using the Commission office for personal and Party business while on the public's dime.

After a <cough> extensive investigation, the State Personnel Board found no probable cause, that no pressure was put on anyone to fire the trooper, and that Palin in no way violated ethics rules. It stinks like crazy, and her approval rating in the state bears that out. Two years ago it was around 90%. A year ago it was about 70%, and now it's around 50%. Something went on that's more than meets the eye.

I realize that a lot of all that was just politics as usual, and pales in comparison to what goes on inside the Beltway, but to be a champion of ethics, and then to be covered up in ethical problems, just doesn't sit well.

Still, many of her political positions I like a lot, particularly the fact that she strongly supports the right to bear arms without restriction of any kind, just like the Constitution says.

[dieseldiva]

Diva,please answer the question (I've heard all the rest before from Ms. Greg,leader of the civil rights and womens liberation corps in Detroit).Please give me the name of the authors of your movement so I may learn from them.Liberated conservatives is just a new concept for me,silly old me for wanting to know more. If you made it up,thats fine,then you should write the book.

I can't answer your question as I'm not the one that used the terms that you reference above. Look back through the posts and you'll see that these (the above groups) are a figment of your imagination.

That wasn't even a nice try......it was lame.

[greg334]

I wasn't an insulated VP in a small office setting in California where there is a lot of lollypops and candycanes but in the real large company world where it was a dog eat dog competition to climb the ladder. If you were a VP, then you set the tone for the people below you and you could never understand a thing unless you worked your way up in a hostile environment. I doubt you ever worked in any place that didn't think like you did and you went along in life thinking that only you and others like you were the one's who brought along change. Using a handbook is one aspect of office life, if you can't think beyond the handbook, it proves my point completely.

I put up with the bulls*ht artist who talked their way into the easy work (a lot like a few people here who work for FedEx - hint WG) and tolerated watching a lot of cr*p my co-workers put up with just because of their ethnic background or sexual orientation. I followed the rules, as did most others but it was only as good as the people above us. Remember I mentioned as a VP you set the tone.

I worked for the largest Pharma company in the world, my site was bought out by this large company in 1999, which meant that the legacy workers were still in charged during my tenure. This site was in the heart of Mid-West Liberal Land, another lollypop and candycane world - Ann Arbor. A lot, I MEAN A LOT of these people were the U of M style Hashbash idiots who got their degree at the U while being wasted through most of their academic career. They took advantage of the internship programs of the past which led them to a full time life employment at this company. In my reporting line, I answered to a guy in Hawaiian shirts and a pony tail who took Kava, burned incense and enjoyed pretty much the leisure lifestyle that you do. I bet you would have gotten along with him really well.

See Andy most if not all the problems were caused by the liberal mindset at this site, entrenched since the site moved out of Union land. Many of these legacy people were of the opinion that control, threats and intimidation were the way to manage people and fairness was a thing of the past. Patronage was the mainstay for advancement, and the touchy feely group hug stuff were both part of the culture.

For example you may understand this, they liked hiring Chinese workers under the H1-b visa program, it wasn't the people like me who threatened them with deportation or set them up to take the blame for some regulatory issue that was done with a purpose to cover some problem up, it was the people who believed in the liberal agenda that did all of that. I sat there in one meeting and listened to a 25 year vet of the company describe which ethnic group was the best to hire and control, the Chinese were at the top. The person doing the talking was the guy who ran one of the Gore's campaign offices in Ann Arbor for the 2000 election.

Now like I said you live in the world of lollypops and candycanes because California for all of its ills and wickedness has been progressive on these issues but it wasn't because of the liberating idiots who took to the streets but the people behind the scenes who actually changed things.

I remember that Nixon did more to enforce the discrimination laws than did Kennedy and Johnson combined. I think Reagan did a lot more than Carter and so on. Bush did more to have a more diverse cabinet than any other president.

But you know Andy all of that doesn't matter because most of us, the classic liberals, the libertairians and the conservitives alike don't like to put titles on people, like black, african-american, Chinese or Gay. We don't look at a man and judge them as a black man, but as a man. Obama is a president who happens to be a black man, not a black president. Most of that happens with the liberals simply because that is how they see people, not by the person or who they are but by what they are.

[tallcal101]

You may find this hard to swallow Greg,I'm the only liberal in management at my company.There are 150 employee's,including long line and local drivers and support staff.I deal with issues everyday that include all the subjects discussed.

Last week one of our long line drivers who happens to be African American deserted one of our(he was not o/o) units in Michigan. Walked away,stole all the on board equipment and owe's us thousands in advances.He justifed his actions by saying he got the bad loads that were left after the white drivers got the good loads.Fact is,his claims ratio was bad,his on time deliveries were bad and his truck (our truck) was always filthy.I will deal with this situation the same way I deal with all the other similar situations that come up. By the book,the legal book.

It's not my idea of candycanes and lollypops,but then again I have no delusions,like some,about how corporate business really works,in Ann Arbor,Birmingham or San Francisco. My politics play no role where I work,zero. I've been there 23 years and have worked my way up to my position based on accomplishment and hard work,even while I ran my expedite business at night.
I have been the butt of liberal jokes the entire time, but I'm judged on my production and commitment,not loolypops etc, (how childish Greg).

You sound bitter Greg,bitter about what everyone did to you.You sound like a victim.That is not how you make it in the corporate world. Victims come and go my friend. They have one thing in common,it was somebody else's fault,never mine.If I took personally what has been tossed my way by the conservatives I work with I would have bailed years ago. I just give it back with respect and we work together as a well oiled team. You love the blame game Greg,I suggest it may have cost you more then you would be willing to admit.

[DougTravels]

He definitely seems bitter Cal, he was talking recently about trying to refi his home or was near bankruptcy, maybe Greg could clear that up, I forget exactly what he said. His party let him down the economy is in the tank, when the current admin. turns things around it will show just how wrong he has been on dam near everything he stands for. Truly sad indeed, deep breaths Greg, baby steps every thing will be ok.

[Tennesseahawk]

He definitely seems bitter Cal, he was talking recently about trying to refi his home or was near bankruptcy, maybe Greg could clear that up, I forget exactly what he said. His party let him down the economy is in the tank, when the current admin. turns things around it will show just how wrong he has been on dam near everything he stands for. Truly sad indeed, deep breaths Greg, baby steps every thing will be ok.

That is a scummy response! Low class indeed! Let's hear your life story, so we can make light of it. Maybe we can blame Obama for you living in your mama's basement?

[dieseldiva]

That is a scummy response! Low class indeed! Let's hear your life story, so we can make light of it. Maybe we can blame Obama for you living in your mama's basement?

That's just what this thread has turned into.....a bunch of low class comments from a bunch of low class liberals attempting to defend another one of their low class TV heroes.....there is no intelligent debate, just a lot of crap slinging.

[layoutshooter]

HEY!!! IF they would sling their crap over farm fields it would save those farmers a LOT of money!!!

[LDB]

This has strayed far afield of the original topic of bad taste, poor fact finding and the double standards in the media. Time to close this and take the back biting to private messages.