Obama vows not to send people to war without cause

**mjolnir131** · 05-25-2009, 04:35 PM

oh i see what he's trying to say now ... if you don't conveniently forget resent history,don't throw out the use of any logic,don't believe everything "reported" on CNN,NBC or the like then your a mouth breathing right wing racist ... OOOKKK got it

**layoutshooter** · 05-25-2009, 05:01 PM

This has now become a waste of time.

**tallcal101** · 05-25-2009, 05:04 PM

As usual,facts once again play second fiddle to any semblence of truth.I have seen this piece before.
Let us not forget the obvious truths in exchange for exagerated predictions and a gloss over the dreadful w years.Both the election of 2000 and 2004 were Carl Rove mastermined filthy politics at their lowest form. They were corrutpted elections rigged from top to bottom.It is well known and well documented.Remember,most Americans get their news from TV,and the media spin sposered by Enron ,Rupert Murdoch etc pulled every piece of garbage out of the political play book to get the job done.For those of us that witnessed this joke we predicted,correctly,the final out come. So did the terrorists. They played these guys straight up as fools and weaklings and pulled the trigger.They could not believe how easy it was for corporate corruption to buy the American political system led by a little well known worm by the name of Rove.
While w and his team were planning how to take Iraq and wipe out the surplus left by Bill (from day 1 this was high on the agenda of the first term),the terrorists were laughing and planning.They knew that America had been weakned by the bafoon coming into office and took full advantage. The 911 report goes in to detail exactly how poorly w and posse dropped the ball on intell.
Bush looked like a deer in the headlights in that classroom on 911. It was truly a classic w moment. Now what I do? Keep reading,ask questions,duck and cover,what the hell am I supposed to do?
As it turns out,he did what he was told to do ( by the likes of Dick Head and Rummy) and blew the only opportinity he had to make a differnce in the world.He listened to the fools.He was elected,but he defered to the fools.
He then blew what was left of the surplus on "Shock and Awe". It turned out to be " Slop and Ha".He ran up the highest deficit in U.S'history on a waste of time war,corrupt from top to bottom. He made sure companies like Parsons and Halliburton made billions on no bid contracts. Rove and co then pulled an even dirtier second term election out of the hat.He refeered to it as a mandate.Those words were not only untrue ( 1% majority and a rigged electoral precinct,Ohio) it was now a certainty he would lead us down a dangerous road and go after our rights.He would go after the Constitution.Toss it out,get crooked lawyers to re interprit and invoke Hitler type propoganda positions led by,you gussed it,Carl "Gorbals" Rove.The single biggest recruiting tool for the terroists was now well oiled and running beautifully.Torture and concentration camps.All the time,they were telling us it was for our own good and how they were protecting us.Fiction being sold as truth once again.The difference was it was not Jews but Muslums.

These guys,who shot each other when they went bird hunting,a leader who could not get a single sentence out without butchering the English language,knew what was right for us and were minding the store ,AND PROTECTING US.Thank you God for saving us from ouselves.
The American people finally woke up and took control of Congress and eventually 70% ( do the math you scholors.W left office with 28% approval rating) and we begain the long treck back,removing the cancer and attempting to heal a very sick patient.
Now,I understand that you may not like the depth of the muck these guys left us to dig out of,it's understandable as you voted for him twice.I would be angry too.It's natural for you to blame Obama,make up names for him,infere that his skin tone is to blame and play around with his religion,conspire as to his citizenship status,all things I would expect from the likes of you. But please remember that second vote when you wish to demonize the man who is on course to save us from our our mistaken attempt at nation building,re writing the Constituion and running up a debt that left us with few options. The Republicans certainly have no alternative.They put forth a budget with no numbers as an alternative.Typical.
I'm not so much angry anymore at what w left for our children and grand children to have to muddle through,as young people over whemingly voted the party of death and decay out.I don't believe they will again,in their life times,allow another gang of thieves,bumblers and corrupt idiots to steal our precious nation,

**DougTravels** · 05-25-2009, 06:15 PM

I support our troops by holding our leaders acountable!

**layoutshooter** · 05-25-2009, 06:45 PM

They might as well. The voting public does not!! We just keep voting the same slimey scum in year after year without fail. This election was no different. VOTE THE SCUM OUT!! ALL OF THEM!!

**greg334** · 05-25-2009, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by DougTravels

I support our troops by holding our leaders acountable!

But the most important question is how do you define a leader?

The last time I looked, I didn't take an oath to a leader, I took an oath to the country. The last time I looked we had one leader of the country but not a leader of the people. To be a leader, one must be in command of people, but that isn't the way it supposed to work.

The military has one leader, the president which is lead by the people who elect him. The congress has no leaders at all, they represent us, the do not lead us.

SO after all of that, I have to ask you in all sincerity, how do you hold one accountable in a system wrought with corruption and mega-egos?

Remember I am not talking about a party but incumbents, so do you vote for the other guy or is Sandra Levin your guy? How about his brother Carl, did you vote for him - you know he failed the state by not fighting for federal jobs to come here but likes the idea to put up "Gitmo UP", what a tourist attraction that would be...

Tallcal,
Man... there was no surplus, it was a projection that was used until the tech bubble came crashing down...... But you proves my other point that your anger is misplaced and showing....if leaving our grand children with a debt was so bad under Bush, why are you giving a pass to Obama, he has TRIPLED the debt this year and the cost is said to be something like 60 TRILLION DOLLARS because of the mess like Medicare and Social Security AND OUR ECONOMY IS FAILING

**layoutshooter** · 05-25-2009, 07:03 PM

It is called "Selective Hate" Greg.

**LDB** · 05-25-2009, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by tallcal101

I'm not so much angry anymore at what w left for our children and grand children to have to muddle through,as young people over whemingly voted the party of death and decay out.I don't believe they will again,in their life times,allow another gang of thieves,bumblers and corrupt idiots to steal our precious nation,

Other than the far more corrupt and dishonest thieves they voted into office who've made the Bush numbers look tiny by comparison? As others have also noticed and commented on, you should try to get control of your Bush/republican/conservative hatred. It dilutes and diminishes everything else.

**Pilgrim** · 05-25-2009, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

It is called "Selective Hate" Greg.

And another term would be bigotry; stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own (from dictionary.com)

**Pilgrim** · 05-26-2009, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by DougTravels

That would be a change for the good eh not sending our troops without cause and making sure they are fully equipped when they do go. It is truly a fine day to be an American!

I wonder if Barack Hussein Obama would consider a nuclear armed Iran that threatens Israel's existance to be a just cause for military action? Apparantly not, according to this article by Dick Morris. Admittedly, I take anything Morris says with several grains of salt. However, what's more important in this article are the quotes from Caroline Glick of the Jerusalem Post.

"...the Obama administration has all but accepted as irreversible and unavoidable fact that Iran will soon develop nuclear weapons. She writes, “…we have learned that the [Obama] administration has made its peace with Iran’s nuclear aspirations. Senior administration officials acknowledge as much in off-record briefings. It is true, they say, that Iran may exploit its future talks with the US to run down the clock before they test a nuclear weapon. But, they add, if that happens, the US will simply have to live with a nuclear-armed mullocracy.”
She goes on to write that the Obama administration is desperate to stop Israel from attacking Iran writing that “as far as the [Obama] administration is concerned, if Israel could just leave Iran’s nuclear installations alone, Iran would behave itself...”

THE DEATH OF ISRAEL at DickMorris.com

To think that this extremely liberal and inexperienced president would tolerate a nuclear armed Iran should send chills down the back of every serious citizen in this country. For anyone who thinks this course of action is not possible, I would encourage them to read an historical account of the events that lead up to World War II. Pay particular attention to the appeasement policies of France and Britain's Neville Chamberlain. They thought they could talk reasonably with Adolf Hitler and that diplomacy would win him over to their way of seeing things.

According to Israel's intel, Iran could have a weapon before Christmas this year. In spite of the Obama administration's arm-twisting, the Israelis could attack Iran to prevent this catastrophic development especially considering Netanyahu is now prime minister. If this not-so-far-fetched scenario comes to pass, the value of having Iraq (with its newly installed military bases) as an ally in that part of the world will become abundantly clear to everyone.

**Steady Eddie** · 05-26-2009, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by tallcal101

So we once again back to questioning the patriotism of those of us(70% at last count) who insisted that W and his cronnies had to go.I'm so sorry if my rhetoric was distasteful to those of you who feel taking out Sadam and his sons was worth 5000 American dead. I'm sorry,I get a little emotional about things like this,but I understand that on the day we mourn our fallen soldiers someone can make such an absurd statement. Ask the families of the fallen if they believe that their loved ones felt they they were giving their lives for three hoodlums and a pack of lies and see what they think.
Talk about disrespect,that is some gall.

I don't think anyone said taking out Sadam and his sons were worth any American's deaths. Ask the families of those in the mass graves over there if they are thankful for us going in there. War is not a easy concept for anyone to understand that hassn't lived through it. I don't take the death of one American lightly, so don't put your spin on it like I would.

**wellarmed** · 05-26-2009, 02:05 AM

Is this not cause enough!!

MAY BE TO GRAFFIC FOR SOME VIEWERS

**layoutshooter** · 05-26-2009, 07:29 AM

I beleive that it is un-necessary for us to be posting "graphic" pitures in here any more. This "shock jock" picture game is degrading this forum. I understand why one might want to show these things, they are real and it IS what we are up against. It is just not needed, from anyone.

War is VERY ugly. Our enemy is a vile enemy with no respect for human life. This type of war we are in is the nastyest type there is. There is going to be many many more chances for posting these kinds of pics.

I am not pointing fingers at any one person or group of people. Just all of us in general.

Let's tone this down before it gets out of hand.

**tallcal101** · 05-26-2009, 02:31 PM

The last gun lunatic that went on a carnage rampage in our country produced wonderful Kodak moments. Shall we dredge them up as an example of the second amendmant at work?
I think we as a counrty have a few miles to go before we begain to share examples of how we treat our neighbors before we try and figure out how 5000 year old holy wars and grudges work.Beheading is nothing new in that part of the world.Don't go in the kitchen if you don't like the heat.

**layoutshooter** · 05-26-2009, 02:41 PM

TallCal,

Please do NOT call me a NUT. I am NOT crazy and do not think it is proper to just call names. Thank you. As to my not being able to take the heat, you have no idea how silly and foolish that statement was. All I was TRYING to get things back on some idea of civility. It is a shame you can't see what I was trying to do.