[ATeam]

Tennesseahawk's point about the difference between husband/wife teams and solo drivers or not-same-household teams is an important one. Husband/Wife teams are highly sought in this business for the reasons Tennesseahawk mentions.

Regarding committment, allow me to add that committment and competency are not the same thing. Both are required for success in expediting.

You can be the most self-confident and enthusiastic person in the world coming into expediting, and know in your heart that you are going to absolutely make it work and nothing will drive you out of the business. But if you lack the business skills and sound judgement successful expediters have, you are likely doomed to fail.

[Tennesseahawk]

I pretty much agree with Ateam; only I believe business skills can be learned along the way, whereas commitment(self-confidence) is a trait that's set at an early age, and harder to change.

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas

[RichM]

Hey Hawk,how do you find those Female Breadwinners????

[cheri1122]

And does she know that you refer to her as "the" wife? :P

[Tennesseahawk]

Rich... I actually found her using ICQ, and browsing local names. She had a msg on her profile saying "Looking for a gentleman." Boy did I fool her. LOL

Cheri... yes, she knows. I call her Lady and Woman all the time. Used to call her Wench, but stopped that awhile ago. She doesn't care, cause she knows the respect is there. Names don't mean anything unless there's something attached to it. And those are a couple of the pet names I use. Oh... my 3 yr old daughter has taken to calling me "young man" lately. I get a kick out of it everytime. :7

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas

[RichM]

Larry when is the new baby due and how is your breadwinner feeling?

[cheri1122]

I've been called "bimbo" and didn't mind, lol, because I knew it was affectionate - the intent is what matters. Like reading or singing to babies: the words don't matter - it's all in the tone of voice. Which unfortunately, doesn't come through in type. :)

[Tennesseahawk]

She's scheduled for a Dec 13 c-section. He might not want to wait tho... she's been having contractions lately.


Cheri... I told Jackie about your inquiry and she laughed. I know what you mean tho... too many ppl take names too seriously. I long for the days before the pc crowd.

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas

[highway star]

Back when I was a golfer, we would refer to the girl driving the beverage cart as the "beer wench". 95% of them knew we meant this in an affectionate way. The others did'nt get a tip.

[LDB]

I've got 2 teams running my trucks. One has been with me over a year, one less than a year. I know things can change however my newer team asked me my plans. I told them I expect to do this for another decade. They told me they want to be in my truck until I quit. My older team is doing well and satisfied and tells me regularly they appreciate their opportunity and are glad they made this move. I won't reveal their numbers because it's not my place to. I will say they are making a comfortable and for them satisfactory income.

I'm not saying that to say I'm great. I'm saying it to point out that there are some drivers running for some owners who are doing well enough without owning the truck and having all the extra expenses and responsibilities of being an owner.

It is possible to drive for an owner and make a comfortable living. It won't equal what you can make as the owner. It won't have all the problems and responsibilities you'll have as the owner. For some, not having those is worth the tradeoff.

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[Broompilot]

I know this sounds dissagreeing, Dave, A-Team. But no one has answered my earlier question. Show me one or better yet a couple of Successfull drivers for an Owner Operator, Leo, and Paul.

Prior to entering this business and looking at O/O no one wanted to give me a chance in a DECENT truck to start out in. I was not gona Team after what I had read on here. Living like a couple of pigs in a dump of a truck is not the standard of living I care to subject myself in. Call me spoiled, I do not care I want SUCCESS.

Now that I have a couple of years of expierence I understand why an owner would not hand the keys over with what I have seen as drivers out there I would not give them the keys to my Tonka Dump let alone an expensive truck. I have shared the road of Ownership with a driver, no thanks on that end either again, a failure no, a success I did not feel that way.

I still would like to know someone making a good living by that 60K range driving someone elses truck, year after year and now that in my eyes is a successfull relationship, and driver...

I do not care to start a Newbee off in a direction that has a larger % of failure than success. With that said Paul you asked "than how would I reccommended someone get into this business" Simple, make it a goal, work two three jobs save up enough capitol to get your own truck cause drivn for somelses truck aint gona get you to point A from B. Study this business and know it. If a person stays on here long enough there is enough of us here to guide that person and there success down a path to more than ensure their success. Agree Paul, Leo. And not everyone starts out with a ton of capitol, some have are gona have to follow my adice in generating the funds to make it....

[Tennesseahawk]

Are those husband/wife or bf/gf teams, Leo? If so, I think we already established they can be successful as both incomes are basically one.

Let me ask what Broom is, but in a different way. Anyone driving someone else's truck, who ISN'T combining their pay, who's making a house payment, and bills and still able to save up for their own truck?

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas

[Broompilot]

And also Leo, your truck is being purcahsed by them am I correct? Different observation from what I have been trying to say NEWBEES, and no one is gona give a NEWBEE the opporuntiy to purcahse a ONE YEAR OLD TRUCK off the bat correct me if I am wrong.

This set up is not the NORM, and your drivers were not begginers.

[LDB]

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[ATeam]

Originally Posted by Broompilot

Paul, not making a living wage is your solution?

This is a business and business opportunity, its not a job. You know one will NEVER be able to save enough $ sharing 40% of the revenue of this business. There are just not enough steady miles in this business. Sharing a very large % of the profits is enough to back up my response.

Please tell me anyone who has become financially well off running in someone elses truck?

Phil and Diane Madsen (that's us) became financially well off running someone else's truck.

We drove fleet owner trucks for three years before buying a truck of our own. With the exception of a few slow periods that all expediters have from time to time, and two months when we had no fleet owner truck to drive at all, we were as busy as we wanted to be.

If you are managing your money well in your personal life, running a fleet owner's truck is a FANTASTIC way to improve your financial circumstances. With only a tiny amount of startup money of your own, you can create a relationship with a fleet owner. The capital is provided by the fleet owner. The labor is provided by you. The carrier provides the freight. And if all parties keep up their end, money can be made by all.

I can't think of another place where access to money-making equipment (a truck), is provided with so few strings and with the freedom to turn it back in without getting hurt. That's what I mean by a FANTASTIC opportunity; virtually no strings, tiny up-front startup costs, and easy access to a money-making asset, and a ready-made customer base.