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    Wink out bidding loads

    this is total bs why cant you ever get you normal rate why because every one is under bidding each other all the time wait 3 days for a discounted load to make fuel money only ha ha theres got to be a better way hey

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    Re: out bidding loads

    Would you like to explain..."normal rate"?"
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    Re: out bidding loads

    The market is depressed right now, a lot of trucks and not enough expedite freight to go around. Today we lost out on a load the customer got covered for .60 a mile for a sprinter.

    These trends are expected in our industry, just like in late June expeditors were getting great rates because the market was opposite, not enough trucks for the freight being offered.

    If you are paid a flat rate per mile the O/O looses out on these rate increases, but also are somewhat protected from the decline in rates during the slow times unless the offered rate from the customer is less then your contracted rate.

    Things should start to get better in August
    Last edited by turritrans; 07-13-2011 at 03:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyd5002 View Post
    this is total bs why cant you ever get you normal rate why because every one is under bidding each other all the time wait 3 days for a discounted load to make fuel money only ha ha theres got to be a better way hey
    Punctuation. Really.
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    Re: out bidding loads

    A place probably where the larger carriers have an edge.
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    Re: out bidding loads

    uh, welcome to EO ....

    I have taken to going home if less than 500 miles ... I can sit here and wait on a load .... seems to be working ok. And NOT at .60 a mile
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    Re: out bidding loads

    Get ready for even more undercutting now. BTW Mexican expediting companies just have to follow our rules of usa to enter so that means get ready for the high MPG fords, fiats, renaults to compete with for sprinter and cv loads.

    Hard to compete if your getting $20mpg with a sprinter and here comes the ford or fiat at 40+mpg. Isn't there another euro model van doing like 50mpg that's diesel ? Remember Mexico trucks will not need to follow our emission rules either. Other day in Detroit I saw several Fiat Ducatos and Iveco Daily running around town. At the doc I loaded at a guy was getting a large ducato loaded and wow it is nice and large inside.

    BTW: I read Dodge is coming out with a new sprinter and it is to be the Fiat Ducato. But I bet it will not be cheap at all.

    This is going to be rough I know my cube and straight may start to hurt a little but luckily the tractors won't slow down much yet at least.

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    Re: out bidding loads

    Quote Originally Posted by davekc View Post
    A place probably where the larger carriers have an edge.
    Dave, I think this works against the large carrier. They need margins to pay for sales commissions, dispatch, safety and brick and mortar costs - you know a full service operation.

    I think what is contributing to this is the single truck carrier. He has $0 in sales commissions, dispatch, safety and brick and mortar costs - so he's the guy who can out bid the full service carrier.
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    Re: out bidding loads

    Where do ya get this stuff...Mexican vans have been around for years already.....gee whiz...
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    Re: out bidding loads

    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence View Post
    Dave, I think this works against the large carrier. They need margins to pay for sales commissions, dispatch, safety and brick and mortar costs - you know a full service operation.

    I think what is contributing to this is the single truck carrier. He has $0 in sales commissions, dispatch, safety and brick and mortar costs - so he's the guy who can out bid the full service carrier.
    I would agree on a open bid board. That is where you are really seeing the rate cutting. Many of the smaller outfits are reliant on the large carriers for their freight. If they slow down, so do they.
    Also, some of the larger carriers have their own accounts and primarily have them through 3PL's because they have the greatest coverage. That can be a double edge sword depending on the carrier.
    Specialty freight is another issue as well. Many of the small independants are priced out because of the insurance, qualifications, or infastructure to do them.
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    Re: out bidding loads

    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence View Post
    Dave, I think this works against the large carrier. They need margins to pay for sales commissions, dispatch, safety and brick and mortar costs - you know a full service operation.

    I think what is contributing to this is the single truck carrier. He has $0 in sales commissions, dispatch, safety and brick and mortar costs - so he's the guy who can out bid the full service carrier.
    That's what a lot of people around here believe, but it's actually not the case. The larger carriers might have more overhead, but they don't have to cover all of that overhead off of one truck. The guy with one truck has to make all his profit margin off each load, while a larger carrier can make a smaller margin per truck but still clear pretty good money if that small margin is made on a large number of trucks. That is the reality out there, not the one truck "independent" undercutting everyone. The times I've had to list a load on Sylectus it was larger companies bidding the lowest.


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    Re: out bidding loads

    Quote Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan View Post
    Where do ya get this stuff...Mexican vans have been around for years already.....gee whiz...

    I pulled it out of a "CHICKEN BUTT" !

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    Re: out bidding loads

    Quote Originally Posted by idtrans View Post
    I pulled it out of a "CHICKEN BUTT" !

    haha....got that one....LOL
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    Re: out bidding loads

    I would say Charles is pretty close to reality. But I understand where Lawrence is getting that information.
    A few nameless carriers will say that consistently but it is by design to really be translated to the drivers.
    Why? Because it is a tool/excuse to suppress rates to their own drivers.
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    Re: out bidding loads

    Quote Originally Posted by davekc View Post
    I would say Charles is pretty close to reality. But I understand where Lawrence is getting that information.
    A few nameless carriers will say that consistently but it is by design to really be translated to the drivers.
    Why? Because it is a tool/excuse to suppress rates to their own drivers.
    That's very true, Dave. There are evidently certain large carriers who use that propaganda consistently to brainwash their owner ops into thinking that some small business is the reason why they are unable to offer them their "normal" rate. It's a pretty tired excuse at this point. However, most people are going to continue to believe what they want about it because it serves their agenda. They can keep swinging those pompoms.
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