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    Hazmat question?!

    If a hazmat load is under 1001lbs and does not require a placard. Does a driver still need to be hazmat certified in order to make the pick up??
    I have heard different explanations but have had shippers who did not load me b/c i did not have a hazmat licensce even though the dispatcher told me i could pick up.....does anyone have a legit answer? Maybe a link they could send me so i can see myself?? Let me know, ty.....

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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    yes all hazmat loads require hazmat endorsement and some hazmat even 1 oz require placemats

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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    TY for the response I appreciate it.

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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    If it's required to be placard, then you'll need the HM endorsements (Doh'a).
    if it's not require to be placard, then you will be good to go, for the simple rezone that by law it is not HM.
    however, shippers CAN have their own rules, for all kind of rezones ,and it will help if they communicate those rules with dispatchers .
    just like carriers hoe require a CDL for Van drivers .
    BTW, if this happens more often then not, maybe it's time to invest in the endorsement .
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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    Depends on the commodity and Reportable quantity.

    If your under reportable (500lbs) I don't think your required by law but the carrier and they're insurance carrier might require it.

    Moose has a point, why not have one.

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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    Very detailed, and a bit confusing if you're not well versed in HazMat Regulations, information can be found here:

    How to Comply with Federal HM Regulations - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    One thing you also need to be concerned about is how often is a load said to be 1000 lbs but when you get there it is 1200 lbs.
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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    It depends on your auto insurance liability policy what your permit book says ohh and most important, your hazmat on your cdl. When I use to be a company driver for werner enterprise (joke of a company) I was sent to Ny ny to pick up a container that had 10 pounds of yellow radio active class 7. It was uranium powder used to make fuel rods. Now on my cdl I do not have hazmat in any way shape or form nor will I ever get hazmat because the risk outweighs the profits.

    Anyways its illegal as hell to transport this from Ny ny to buffalo ny because of having to drive this on the ny state toll road. Werner wanted me to do this I refused and reported werner to the Ny state dot and port authority. Werner got fined and thats why I fly my own flag.

    Anyways in reguards to hazmat if its over 1k you need a hazmat if its something like gasoline, hair spray, a bunch of car batteries, rocket fuel, compressed gasses, etc. If its uranium powder used to make fuel rods and its under 1k you need hazmat. What you should do is whip out your hazmat book and table to see if it needs to be placarded

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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    Moose nailed it. If a HAZMAT load is under 1001lbs and does not require a placard, then it's not HAZMAT. If it's not HAZMAT, you don't need a HAZMAT endorsement to pick it up. The litmus test for HAZMAT is whether or not it requires a placard. If it does, then it's HAZMAT, if it doesn't, then it's not HAZMAT.

    One example would be certain kinds of paint which if the load weighs more than 1000 pounds is must be placarded as HAZMAT, and you must have a HAZMAT endorsement on your CDL to haul it. But if it is 1000 pounds or less then it doesn't need to be placarded because it isn't HAZMAT, and you don't need a HAZMAT endorsement or even a CDL to haul it.

    Some shippers require a HAZMAT endorsement for all of their shipments regardless of whether or not their shipment is HAZMAT. I once picked up a 5-gallon bucket of paint and the shipper wouldn't have loaded me if I didn't have the endorsement, even though having the endorsement wasn't required by law.



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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    I just went through getting my drivers license and one of the questions that was asked was this question and this was the correct answer:
    27. You do not have a hazardous materials endorsement on your commercial driver license. When can you legally haul hazardous materials?

    A Never
    B Only when the shipment does not cross state lines
    C Only when the load is placarded
    D All of the above

    I also think Moose has it right, but I would like to see the regulation in the FMCSA book.
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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    It is just a good idea to have that endorsement. You can never tell when you might have some HAZMAT "slipped" onto your truck without you knowing it.

    It happened to us. We were loading at the CDC heading down for Hurricane Gustov. We were told NO HAZMAT on this load. While loading we noticed HAZMAT stickers on some of the freight. It made them mad but we required them produce new paper work reflecting the O2 canisters in the kits. They complained that no other drivers made them do that. Oh well, do it right or don't do it.

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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamCaffee View Post
    I also think Moose has it right, but I would like to see the regulation in the FMCSA book.
    I honestly don't know if it's in the book or not, and I'm too lazy to look it up, but I would imagine that it's not in there. The reason is, the FMSCA regulations themselves already define HAZMAT, and the book deals with HAZMAT as already defined in the regulations.

    The test question is pretty straightforward, as it asks about "hazardous materials". If it's "hazardous materials" then it's HAZMAT (and thus placardable according to the FMCSA definition), and you need the endorsement.

    And if it's not "hazardous materials" then it's not, and you don't.

    Even though I use the term all the time to delineate material which would otherwise be placardable in certain amounts but not placardable in other amounts, there's really no such thing as non-placardable HAZMAT. It's either HAZMAT or its not, and if it is, then it's placardable and you need the endorsement.


    Quote Originally Posted by layoutshooter View Post
    It is just a good idea to have that endorsement. You can never tell when you might have some HAZMAT "slipped" onto your truck without you knowing it.

    It happened to us. We were loading at the CDC heading down for Hurricane Gustov. We were told NO HAZMAT on this load. While loading we noticed HAZMAT stickers on some of the freight. It made them mad but we required them produce new paper work reflecting the O2 canisters in the kits. They complained that no other drivers made them do that. Oh well, do it right or don't do it.
    Of course, just because some or all of the freight has HAZMAT stickers on the boxes, that doesn't mean the load itself is HAZMAT. It might be in certain quantities (more than 1000 pounds, for example), but not in the quantities you are being loaded with. A 5-gallon bucket of HAZMAT paint is gonna have a HAZMAT sticker on it, but it ain't HAZMAT unless there is more than 1000 pounds of it being loaded onto the truck. A single 5-gallon bucket of HAZMAT paint loaded amongst non-HAZMAT freight, even if the total weight of everything is well over 1000 pounds, doesn't make the load a HAZMAT load.

    I once picked up two skids, one was 800 pounds of wet batteries, and the other was 1200 pounds of tools and other hardware. Total weight was 2000 pounds, but it wasn't a HAZMAT load because the "hazmat" portion of the load wasn't a HAZMAT quantity.

    But I agree that it's just a good idea to have the endorsement, even if you never haul HAZMAT. It lets you know what you're looking at, the freight, the bills, and the placards on that wild and crazy driving truck in the lane next to you. There are a lot of shipping clerks that don't really understand it, and they'll try to load you with placardable HAZMAT when the bill isn't marked as such, and they'll incorrectly mark something as HAZMAT when it isn't. If you have the endorsement you'll know and be able to spot those kinds of errors. For example, if you are picking up freight that is marked as HAZMAT on the paperwork, but it's not HAZMAT freight, it's illegal to just go ahead and haul it anyway without first having the paperwork corrected, just the same as it's illegal to run with HAZMAT placards if you aren't actually loaded with HAZMAT.



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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    I was pressurized O2 bottles. It was required to be on the BOL but not placarded.

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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    Quote Originally Posted by layoutshooter View Post
    I was pressurized O2 bottles. It was required to be on the BOL but not placarded.
    Well, I can't comment on that freight specifically, but if it's not required to be placarded, then it's not required to be marked as HAZMAT on the BOL. In fact, if it's not HAZMAT (no placards required) and the HM column is marked on the BOL, then the BOL is incorrect and should be changed.

    Individual packaging, like those bottles, are required to be marked with HAZMAT stickers, even if they aren't HAZMAT in certain quantities. And even though the individual packaging may be marked, unless the quantity makes it HAZMAT, it should not be marked as HM on the BOL. It should be properly identified insofar as everything else is concerned (packing group, UIN, etc) but just not marked under HM.



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    Re: Hazmat question?!

    Yep, UN numbers etc. The was an 800 number to go with them as well. We have SEVERAL of those on our truck. There was a bit of a battle over what needed to be where, after a bit of searching books, and some help from someone at FDCC we got it straightened out. I forget what went where, but we had our BOL and one from the government as normal.

    The point was mainly to point out the value of having the HAZMAT to avoid problems if they to crop up.

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