Not Happy like many of You

**moose** · 03-16-2010, 11:18 AM

Last time i'v checked ,you can't buy grocery's using a pay per mil.,
first out is not accepted at the cashier either.

there is a place in this market for higher paying loads , and there also a way to make a dern good living running smart at a lower rates.

the good news is that ,now that the feds goe's Elogs , they will have to broker more of the freight out , or find a way to forced dispatch their own fleet , it's good news only if you are not leased on to them... here i said it ...happy?

**OntarioVanMan** · 03-16-2010, 11:22 AM

Watch the Feds rates when E-1 starts their Temp Assured program at the end of year....not going to be pretty...

**fastrod** · 03-16-2010, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan

Watch the Feds rates when E-1 starts their Temp Assured program at the end of year....not going to be pretty...

So what your saying is that E-1 is gonna lowball the rates and take the Feds business. Where does all this rate slashing end. When they get so low that they cannot find anyone to haul at the rates they are offering?

**OntarioVanMan** · 03-16-2010, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by fastrod

So what your saying is that E-1 is gonna lowball the rates and take the Feds business. Where does all this rate slashing end. When they get so low that they cannot find anyone to haul at the rates they are offering?

well what happens when new competition comes into play? do prices ever go up? not just in this industry...

**greg334** · 03-16-2010, 11:49 AM

So E-1 is going against a Brand?

It makes sense to get into reefer loads, there are a lot out there but the problem seems to be that to ensure the GmP practices (what temp assured is needed for) for a very quickly shrinking customer base makes no business sense.

But again this is E-1

Isn't Temp Assured trademarked?

**OntarioVanMan** · 03-16-2010, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by greg334

So E-1 is going against a Brand?

It makes sense to get into reefer loads, there are a lot out there but the problem seems to be that to ensure the GmP practices (what temp assured is needed for) for a very quickly shrinking customer base makes no business sense.

But again this is E-1

Isn't Temp Assured trademarked?

They used the term in our conference call...I have no clue..

We already do Phizer out of Memphis and a few other centers, with no reefer required and DOD work is going thru the application process...so expansion is planned into this market, they claim they have customers requesting we get into the field...we'll see how it turns out..Word is the recruiting is going on and there is now reefer trucks on the fleet...

**fastrod** · 03-16-2010, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan

well what happens when new competition comes into play? do prices ever go up? not just in this industry...

I understand that but where does this downward spiral of rates end. It seems like the bigger carriers are the ones running the rates into the ground and using the acceptance rate threat to make sure that most of these low paying loads get covered.

**OntarioVanMan** · 03-16-2010, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by fastrod

I understand that but where does this downward spiral of rates end. It seems like the bigger carriers are the ones running the rates into the ground and using the acceptance rate threat to make sure that most of these low paying loads get covered.

How low can WE go? is the question now...seems some carriers think there is no bottom....There has to be a break point...
I would hate to be just starting in this biz now...

**greg334** · 03-16-2010, 12:13 PM

Phizer?

OH Pfizer?

You are hauling their dry freight, which is not a big deal but their pharma loads are a big deal and there is a process they have that I am wondering if E-1 will make the investment to meet, I doubt it.

DoD loads GmP?

DoD process should have been done a long long time ago.

Temp assured is not trademarked.

**Dynamite 1** · 03-16-2010, 12:20 PM

is it true that for a carrier to get DOD approved they have to have atleast 500 units in the fleet.

**greg334** · 03-16-2010, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dynamite 1

is it true that for a carrier to get DOD approved they have to have atleast 500 units in the fleet.

No. I think the fleet size has not much to do with anything other than to ensure the company is capable of paying its bills.

**OntarioVanMan** · 03-16-2010, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Dynamite 1

is it true that for a carrier to get DOD approved they have to have atleast 500 units in the fleet.

I have no idea but we may find out soon....maybe there is a member that knows?

**greg334** · 03-16-2010, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan

I have no idea but we may find out soon....maybe there is a member that knows?

Yea read my post!

**davekc** · 03-16-2010, 12:37 PM

Probably just a sales pitch to claim that they can offer it to customers. They should have jumped in when Panther did. Might be a little late. If they go in with the intent to beat the price point, it will have little affect.
Why? Not many lined up to buy a 150K reefer only to run it at reduced rates. Or, they will have to subsidize those trucks with taking another dime from the vans

On a side note, haven't seen a E1 reefer truck anywhere. Maybe someone has?

**Dynamite 1** · 03-16-2010, 12:40 PM

i understand the payment issue. so does it mean they wont consider less than 500 cause in their eyesyou may not be able to pay. some clarity from someone would be great.