Not Happy like many of You

**Deville** · 03-16-2010, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Turtle

If you're below 67% Acceptance, it isn't because Dispatch has constantly hit you with wrong refusals, it's because you're turning down too many loads. The Acceptance Rate thing is not a mystery, it's easy to figure out, and you know what the rules are. The Rate is calculated using all of the days of the current month, plus all of the days of the previous calendar month. Knowing that, then you should be able to intelligently decide whether or not to accept a load.

Keep in mind that on the first day of the month, then you're dealing with all of the days in the current month, which is one, and all of the days of the previous month, so if last month you had 12 load offers and turned down 6 of them, and were showing an 80% acceptance just before the first, then you're screwed when the first of the month rolls around and the loads from 2 months ago drop off the back end. Now you're at 50% acceptance, and you're in a deep hole for at least the rest of the month. Take whatever scraps you can get in the meantime.

Forced dispatch? No, not really. You aren't punished for turning down a load, but you are punished for being a cherry picker and turning down more than 33% of the loads offered to you. Yes, it could be that all of the loads you are offered just happen to be crap after crap after crap, but that's not likely. What's more likely is that you are sitting back and waiting for the primo loads and are turning everything else down.

I'm not sure what you consider crap, but an average C load of 300 miles paying less than $275 IS CRAP.

**moose** · 03-16-2010, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Moot

Snarf up the scraps, take some mini's and ...

Y'ha , why not...they make a profit center out of your truck anyway , so why not move their freight for free , or better yet pay them to do so...
Y'a know , using the money you did not make last month ...R de N. said it the best on Ochen13 "make sure they spend their money in this Casino"...

**moose** · 03-16-2010, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by davekc

. As with any carrier, just have to adapt and work their system.

Nah , not ANY...
many carriers out there will actually have an EZ to follow system,that work in the contractor favor ...
why on earth will a business owner accept a 'loosing money load' ?

**layoutshooter** · 03-16-2010, 07:43 AM

We turn down just about any load that does not, at the very least, cover our cost to run it. We rarely take loads that don't make a profit. If we did otherwise we would go out of business. Our acceptance rate is way down from what it was at one time. Why? They offer loads that would cost us more to run than they pay. That is just one of the problems with our "new" load offer system. I guess that makes us cherry pickers.

**Moot** · 03-16-2010, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by moose

so why not move their freight for free , or better yet pay them to do so...

My comment was aimed at a 67 percent'er who needs to either accept some loads or find another carrier.

**Dynamite 1** · 03-16-2010, 08:18 AM

[QUOTE=Turtle;357523]If you're below 67% Acceptance, it isn't because Dispatch has constantly hit you with wrong refusals, it's because you're turning down too many loads. The Acceptance Rate thing is not a mystery, it's easy to figure out, and you know what the rules are. The Rate is calculated using all of the days of the current month, plus all of the days of the previous calendar month. Knowing that, then you should be able to intelligently decide whether or not to accept the load

come on, you would really let an acceptance rate decide whether you take a load or not. it comes off as you advocate taking runs when your acceptance rate is low just to grab a few points to get it back up. ya, all of us know what we are into when we sign the line. but this rate thing does force some to do things they dont wish to. and every little bit helps the carrier. they call it insuring that their customers get serviced, which im sure it does help. it also helps w/profit. im also sure that somewhere, someone has ran the probability and came to the conclusion that this could also increase profit. same way many other policies do. it all boils down to how you want your customers handled. do you want to send a contractor to a shipper because he thinks he has to even if the load is crap or do you want them going because they feel good about it because the are being fairly compensated. thats the problem with large carriers, as long as its covered they really dont care. the acceptance rate thing is just like the pay rate thing. as long as people continue to be dictated to instead of saying no, the problem will continue to exist. which makes all of this kinda pointless. i run my business a little different that most, i have the ability to basically do what i please. i dont need to earn a large amt. of $, so that gives me the ability to say no and not run unless i make a sufficient profit on the load. i have left carriers for to much controlling interest in my business. point made. i think you all know how i feel about it.

**layoutshooter** · 03-16-2010, 08:27 AM

The "value" of a load also depends on the situation you are in at the time. It takes a higher paying load to get me out of the house than it does to get me to the house.

A load that pays great per mile but leaves me with a zillion mile dead head out does not pay well. A short load, good per mile, is better sometimes. Each load is a new business decision. Any decision that leads to a loss of money is not a good business decision.

**Moot** · 03-16-2010, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Dynamite 1

come on, you would really let an acceptance rate decide whether you take a load or not. it comes off as you advocate taking runs when your acceptance rate is low just to grab a few points to get it back up.

Originally Posted by Dynamite 1

i think you all know how i feel about it.

It really doesn't matter how you feel about this. At Panther if you fall below 67% acceptance you will continually be bumped to the bottom of the board. So yeah, in this person's situation I advocate taking any loads offered to get above 67% or find another carrier.

**layoutshooter** · 03-16-2010, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Moot

It really doesn't matter how you feel about this. At Panther if you fall below 67% acceptance you will continually be bumped to the bottom of the board. So yeah, in this person's situation I advocate taking any loads offered to get above 67% or find another carrier.

So it becomes forced dispatch. Is that not the meaning of forced? Take loads that you lose money on or else? What I am missing?

**Dynamite 1** · 03-16-2010, 09:06 AM

that was my point also. never let the carrier force you into doing something or be forced out for not. look at this a different way, which i add would never happen it could but it wont. all the contractors decide they want this policy gone or they are going to switch carriers. they all actually stick to their threat and all go to various different carriers over a peroid of a few weeks. what happens to the carrier that refused to change policy. they would now be the little guy if not outta business and the other carriers that dont have policy would have grown by leaps and bounds and the freight would be there also. someone has to haul it for the customer and since bigbox joe is now smallbox sam they will be forced to find another carrier. great scenario. never happen but still nice to think about. the acceptance rate would not be an issue if the carrier would simply realize the loads must be profitable. most of us are depending on one truck they are depending on many. there are also many places in the carriers business where they bleed money that could be shored up to help insure profits for all. we all run on a very tight always scrutinize budget and they should also

**Moot** · 03-16-2010, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

So it becomes forced dispatch. Is that not the meaning of forced?

Could be. Maybe we can get Bill Clinton to define "forced" for us.

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

What I am missing?

Just the whole point of this thread and the original poster's situation.

**layoutshooter** · 03-16-2010, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Moot

Could be. Maybe we can get Bill Clinton to define "forced" for us.

Just the whole point of this thread and the original poster's situation.

Well, I am glad I missed everything about this post, I would hate to have just missed part of it. LOL!!!

**davekc** · 03-16-2010, 10:03 AM

Are things really the same? Not really. Many posts are assuming all things equal when they actually are not in many cases. The typical average Panther straight (non reefer) is running from 1.20 to 1.40 plus FSC and then higher for Elite loads. Now compare that to what. 1.12 at E1 or 1.05 at Tristate and many even less. Not sure on E1, but Tri-State knocks you out for 24 hours if you refuse two loads, and I am not sure what the Fed does or doesn't do although they have a acceptance rating.
Is it forced dispatching? Yes, if you want it to be. If you know some parts of the east coast or Detroit are land of the mini's, run one so you don't get hit with constant refusals. Or, we knock ourselves out of service and find our own load. And lastly, just move to a different board. I don't consider that forced as you are making the decision to be in a area that has those types of loads and are failing to be proactive. If one does simple things like that, then you won't have to worry about percentages. I couldn't even tell you what ours are because they don't really matter.
Keep in mind also that they can't hit you with a refusal after doing a mini or the DH is over 40 percent.
Comes down to what you want to tolerate.

**greg334** · 03-16-2010, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Deville

Don't let the FDCC's intimadate you. Your lease cannot be terminated for a low acceptance rating. I remember in orintation in Green they kept repaeating over & over again, you are your own boss blah bah blah.

OH Yes they can and DO.

Ignore the orientation feel good group hug crap and get someone who will tell you how they feel about acceptance rate. It hasn't changed.

**OntarioVanMan** · 03-16-2010, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Deville

Don't let the FDCC's intimadate you. Your lease cannot be terminated for a low acceptance rating. I remember in orintation in Green they kept repaeating over & over again, you are your own boss blah bah blah.

E-1 cleaned house last year a bit...and terminated high refusal contractors....
Services no longer required...that is all they stated