Morals, religion, and accepting certain loads

[OntarioVanMan]

I'm sure that I'm about to get lambasted for this but here's what I'd do and why: IF I knew that the load was ANY kind of porn, especially kiddie porn, I would NOT haul the load...no matter what it paid. Why? Because this is MY OWN personal moral and religious beliefs and reasons. I am NOT slamming nor condemming anyone who would do different. I am merely stating that I personally would not haul this kind of stuff on my trucks for any amount of money.

Nope I am not going to bust your chops...It is your choice..

It is a moral choice before a business choice...

Everyone has to live with their decisions.....

[OntarioVanMan]

As others have stated, if it isn't illegal, then it isn't my place to make a judgment. It's freight

To some and their religious beliefs...porn, gay, abortion material could be considered illegal in their moral mind...if it makes them uncomfortable..then refuse it BUT don't try and make anyone that does should NOT be judged neither.

[Wingnut]

Like I said, just because I personally wouldn't haul that kind of stuff doesn't mean that I'd condemn someone who does. We're all different...have different beliefs, ways of doing things, likes/dislikes, the list goes on and on. These differences are what makes us who & what we are in this world. I try hard not to judge anyone for any reason because I, myself, do not want to be judged. Sort of a ...."do unto others..." thing. Again, that's just my own personal beliefs and choices.
I guess you could look at it like this: making a personal/ethical/religious choice about what you haul on your vehicle is no different than what you choose to eat. Some people won't eat meat beacuse it's their personal/ethical/religious belief. To me, that isn't any different than choosing to haul certain freight. It's an individual's PERSONAL choice and quite frankly, if people in this world would realize & respect that, there would be less fighting & conflict in this world. Again, this is all my PERSONAL thoughts & opinions on this matter!

[OntarioVanMan]

And because you chose not to carry such items some will say you are a fool....some will say it is your right....a whole lot of judging goin on....

If your choice makes you feel good then its all good.

[Streakn1]

Wingnut, I greatly admire and appreciate your choice and honesty regarding this subject. It is inspirational to see that someone is willing to stand on their beliefs and not compromise them for the almighty dollar.

[maranatha7]

Good subject. We've been active Christians for over 30 years and retired Military. I really think that when you sign a contract as an owner/operator you should use due diligence with whom you choose.That's the crucial first step. We're not running now but in the 4 plus years we ran and over 500 loads I really can't think of any loads that were questionable except maybe 2 pallets of "Sponge Bob the Movie", LOL.
I guess we really depend on the company. I hope we are judged for our Character and if we are in error we are quick to repent.
I personally have problems with people going over the posted legal speed limit but that's another subject and they're responsible for their own conduct. Just remember someone told me once "that your guardian Angel only flies up to the legal speed limit and your on your own after that"
Big Al

[pjjjjj]

I think with child porn at least, it IS illegal, and illegal to have in your possession (even if it's not yours), least that's how I understand it.
As for the rest, I don't know, if you're running a business, I don't believe you can let your personal views get in the way of who you deal with, unless you're a church or something.
If all businesses let their personal views dictate who they did business with, and for what purpose, we'd have to fill out questionnaires about.. what exactly is that paper you're buying going to be used for, and that ink.. and what will the person you're selling to be using it for? Where would it end? Where would it begin?
It really IS a good question tho, to get you thinking, because same for selling nuclear arms to unsavory nations, or guns to lunatics, someone, somewhere along the line, you would hope has the morals to give up the potential cash for themselves and just say no.

[layoutshooter]

We have not knowningly carried anything illegal on our truck. We have not knowningly carried anything that we are opposed to morally. If we ever found out that a load was illegal or something we were morally opposed to we would call the police in the first case and refuse the load in the second. Just as we will stop paying taxes if we are forced to pay for abortions or stem cell reseach that involvles killing an embreo. The halmark of a moral person is one that is willing to take hard or un-popular stands based on thier own private moral principles. I have little respect for a person that would do something or carry freight that they are morally opposed too. You are your morals and your morals are you. No one will change my core beliefs. No one has that right. If you feel the need to ridicule my stand, so be it. Layoutshooter

[pelicn]

This thread has been niggling on my mind since I made my response. Shooter, you bring up a point. We've not encountered a load that we would consider "morally" wrong. That isn't to say that we've not hauled something that someone else considers wrong. Example, we've hauled alcohol in all forms. I can't see anything illegal being hauled by our carrier, so that isn't a decision that I would expect to have to make.
We are business people, and we make business decisions every day. Would I take money over beliefs, I would have to say no. Would I judge another for a different decision, probably not.

[layoutshooter]

I think I would question the charactor of someone who would place profit ahead of thier core beliefs, morals, what ever you wish to call it. I need a buck as much as the next guy but not at the expense of my core beliefs. The meaning of "core beliefs" is just that. Your beliefs are more important than anything else. That is how I feel. No one else has too. Layoutshooter

[aristotle]

Moral vs. immoral? I fear the amoral.

[theoldprof]

I should have posted "if the driver didn't know what was in the skids, or couldn't see what was in the skids due to the stuff being wrapped."
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Cherri, when I crossed the border and Officer Friendly asked me what I had, I would read from my paper work something like "two skids of 34567-8876 left hand widgets going to Chrysler".

[termite289]

wait a second, kity porn is iligal, all the way around. it is illigal to produce, ship, posses. let me clarify my statement. providing a service to an industry that i disagree with morally is not the same thing as participating in it. they are going to pay for the service. if i wouldnt haul freight for anyone i disagreed with, i couldn't haul military loads, or any other government freight.

[P51bombay]

wait a second, kity porn is iligal, all the way around. it is illigal to produce, ship, posses. let me clarify my statement. providing a service to an industry that i disagree with morally is not the same thing as participating in it. they are going to pay for the service. if i wouldnt haul freight for anyone i disagreed with, i couldn't haul military loads, or any other government freight.

A BoL isn't going to specify there is KP in the shipment but lets say for a minute you discover it is. Seems like the thing to do is complete the run, collect the money and tip off the cops before making delivery so they can collect up the shipper and consignee for an all expenses paid trip to the Graybar Hotel

[DougTravels]

wait a second, kity porn is iligal, all the way around. it is illigal to produce, ship, posses. let me clarify my statement. providing a service to an industry that i disagree with morally is not the same thing as participating in it. they are going to pay for the service. if i wouldnt haul freight for anyone i disagreed with, i couldn't haul military loads, or any other government freight.

Kity porn?

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