[jaminjim]

How many people would rather see PII go with a longest dwell time as opposed to first in / first out?

[RoadHooligan]

I would hope that they would start to pay attention to drivers. Now they go full tilt in ideas that just aren't working

[pantherart]

If you are not a panther please don't vote on "who cares" this is important to us drivers

[Turtle]

Well, the only viable options are "who cares" and "Change it now", as there is nothing that cannot be improved upon. The other two options are the same, "Love it as it is" and "Keep it the same"? Who came up with that??

[Fr8 Shaker]

The longest dwell time would be the fairest way to go. scenario; You delivered a 300 mile load out to BFE, after delivery you sat 2 days waiting on another load which never came so you decide to go to another board, lets say Memphis and D/H 250 miles to get there. another driver delivers a 1100 mile load in Memphis but arrived lets say 8 hours before you did. another load comes up coming out of Memphis going 700 miles and it is offered to the driver that just got done with the 1100 miler because he got on that board before you did. By tomorrow he has 1800 miles in for 2 days running and you have 300 miles in for 4 days. Guess you should have asked for a first out. ( see other post. )

Dwell time would be the fairest way, but if it isn't benificial to panther it isn't going to happen.

[are12]

The longest dwell time would be the fairest way to go. scenario; You delivered a 300 mile load out to BFE, after delivery you sat 2 days waiting on another load which never came so you decide to go to another board, lets say Memphis and D/H 250 miles to get there. another driver delivers a 1100 mile load in Memphis but arrived lets say 8 hours before you did. another load comes up coming out of Memphis going 700 miles and it is offered to the driver that just got done with the 1100 miler because he got on that board before you did. By tomorrow he has 1800 miles in for 2 days running and you have 300 miles in for 4 days. Guess you should have asked for a first out. ( see other post. )

Dwell time would be the fairest way, but if it isn't benificial to panther it isn't going to happen.


I don't know if this would work either. Let's take another scenerio: You are sitting at a location for 2 days, after delivering a 1000 mile run. Someone else did a 700 mile run and has sat for 2 1/2 days, then decides to DH 250 miles to the location you are at. A load comes up that has 800 miles behind it and is given to the guy that just bumped you to 2nd, would that be fair??

We kind of like the way Panther use to do things, with the 50 mile radius. This new systems seems to benefit the larger fleet owners because they can spread their trucks out. Plus, the fleet owner's are not the one's sitting in the middle of an empty parking lot if there are no truck stops around.

[Fr8 Shaker]

Well if your going by dwell time then yes it would be fair because they have been sitting longer then you and I think it's more fair then someone coming in with a first out.

[LDB]

The problem with any/all these scenarios is they are imminently fair if you are on one side of it and totally unfair if you are on the other side of it. It doesn't matter what system they use, it's going to be both good and bad depending on the situation of the moment.

[Turtle]

You delivered a 700 mile load out to BFE, after delivery you sat 2 days waiting on another load which never came so you decide to go to another board, lets say Memphis and D/H 250 miles to get there. Another driver, let's call him me, delivers a 90 mile load in Memphis from Jackson, but I arrived 8 hours before you did. Another load comes up coming out of Memphis going 700 miles. Who gets that load, you or me?

I say me.

Originally Posted by Fr8 Shaker

...and it is offered to the driver that just got done with the 1100 miler because he got on that board before you did. By tomorrow he has 1800 miles in for 2 days running and you have 300 miles in for 4 days. Guess you should have asked for a first out. ( see other post. )

So what if another driver has 1800 miles in 2 days and you have 300 miles in 4 days? You're mad 'cause another driver "one upped" you or something? Should Panther divide all miles between all trucks equally? That's about as silly as getting mad 'cause another driver drove the meat out of a load and you get offered the scraps. What about when you drive the meat out of a load and someone else gets scraps, or what about when you get 1800 miles in 2 days and someone else gets 300 in 4 days?

[OntarioVanMan]

Express One does dwell time....you can take it anywhere you chose....

Last month we were #1 in W. Memphis and by 1pm we were bumped back to 5th...other units were coming up from Fort Smith and Texas with more dwell time....BUT on the other side of coin we sat 3 days in El Paso and chose to DH to Laredo where 3 other vans were waiting..upon arriving we were offered a load...it's a 2 headed dragon...If you go OOS then all dwell time is lost.

[nightcreacher]

if your dwell follws you, when you change areas you are laying over inn,there is sometrhing relly wrong with this senario.

[Jefferson3000]

Just a question from an outsider: Why would you want to allow Truck #11 to bump you from a first out in the great spot you chose to sit in, just because truck #11 chose to sit on a dead board for 5 days, and now wants to come and visit you?

You want the system that rewards people for making smart decisions.

[Fr8 Shaker]

Originally Posted by Turtle

You delivered a 700 mile load out to BFE, after delivery you sat 2 days waiting on another load which never came so you decide to go to another board, lets say Memphis and D/H 250 miles to get there. Another driver, let's call him me, delivers a 90 mile load in Memphis from Jackson, but I arrived 8 hours before you did. Another load comes up coming out of Memphis going 700 miles. Who gets that load, you or me?

I say me.



So what if another driver has 1800 miles in 2 days and you have 300 miles in 4 days? You're mad 'cause another driver "one upped" you or something? Should Panther divide all miles between all trucks equally? That's about as silly as getting mad 'cause another driver drove the meat out of a load and you get offered the scraps. What about when you drive the meat out of a load and someone else gets scraps, or what about when you get 1800 miles in 2 days and someone else gets 300 in 4 days?

I don't recall saying anything about dividing miles equally, I was talking about sitting for a couple of days and not getting a load offer, boards set aside it shouldn't matter where your at but how long it has been since you were offered a load. Now if you are offered a load and turn it down that is a different story or you were out of service, then your dwell time would be reset to zero. If you were offered a 90 mile load and you accept it then thats your load and dwell is reset to zero. Actually the amount of miles doesn't matter it all has to do when you were last offered a load. If you had 1800 miles in and I had 300 but i just delivered and you were sitting then you should be offered the next load first. there still is luck to the draw.

[Turtle]

When you take a load out to BFE, one of the risks is not getting another load quickly, whether you sit right there or move to another location. If I take a short 90 mile run to Memphis, to get to a better location, I shouldn't be penalized just because someone chose to sit for 2 days, 250 miles away, completely off the Memphis board, and then decided to come in and jump ahead of me. I chose to go to Memphis based on many factors, not the least of which is how many other trucks are on that board.
Board positions are based on POD times, which is de facto dwell time on that board. You wanna change boards you should start all over from scratch.

If they were to do completely away with board positions based on POD times and go strictly with dwell times, it opens things up even further to abuse. We've got cargo van drivers already using the 34 hour restart, and Available-Sleeping for 2 or 3 days, in order to preserve a #1 board position while they go home over the weekend, then come back out on Monday and magically be top of the board. Of course, if they get caught doing that, they get placed OOS without notice from dispatch, as the 34 hour restart isn't available to van drivers, and the Available Sleeping is to be for no more than 12 hours without losing your board position.

We'll have people delivering on a Friday, going home 500 miles away, then coming back out Monday or Tuesday banging dispatch over the head with their 3 days of dwell time looking to get loaded ASAP in front of people who have been sitting there all weekend.

[Fr8 Shaker]

Turtle says: If I take a short 90 mile run to Memphis, to get to a better location, I shouldn't be penalized just because someone chose to sit for 2 days, 250 miles away, completely off the Memphis board, and then decided to come in and jump ahead of me.

And how would that be different then say someone delivering in canton,ms. getting a first out then d/h up to memphis and jumping in front of you. It's not, but with dwell time if he delivered after you, you would be offered the load first. And as far as someone d/h 1000 miles total just to go home and return, you won't have to worry about them for long.

BTW do you have any suggestions for trying to make it as fair as possible out here?