[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Fr8 Shaker

Turtle says: If I take a short 90 mile run to Memphis, to get to a better location, I shouldn't be penalized just because someone chose to sit for 2 days, 250 miles away, completely off the Memphis board, and then decided to come in and jump ahead of me.

And how would that be different then say someone delivering in canton,ms. getting a first out then d/h up to memphis and jumping in front of you. It's not,...

Well, it kind of is different. The first out was given to get them to take the load to a place they knew they'd have a hard time getting anything out of. I've gotten first outs in that same situation, and I've had people jump me for the same exact scenario. It's hard to get mad at that.

Originally Posted by Fr8 Shaker

[It's not,] but with dwell time if he delivered after you, you would be offered the load first.

That's very true. Then again, if he delivered before me and is driving up there for 3 hours while I've been sitting, he'll jump me, even though I honestly don't consider driving time as dwell time.

And as far as someone d/h 1000 miles total just to go home and return, you won't have to worry about them for long.

You're assuming they'd return the 500 miles back. They wouldn't. They'd drop in Princeton, IN at 0700 on Friday morning and head home to Flint for the weekend. Then come back out Monday noon with their 3 days of dwell time in tow.

BTW do you have any suggestions for trying to make it as fair as possible out here?

Yeah, first, they have to get these boards straightened out, get them defined and organized in a manner that makes sense. The boundaries should be well defined and everyone should know precisely where they are.

Then, First Outs should be given for a mini, a dry run, being pulled from a load due for any reason out of your control (being held up at the shipper, consignee, the border, or some other unforeseen delay), for being forced to swap a load (cargo van) because someone in Dispatch can't use common sense and instead can't get 47 MPH out of their head and they think you don't have time to take a 5 hour break even though you do. I can't think of any other reasons for a First Out. A First Out should be given as a reward for a mini or for something else that happens that otherwise interferes with your earning potential.

Once given a First Out, you keep it until you accept the next load and then POD out with that load, unless you change your status to OOS. You can turn down as many loads as you like until you get one that suits you. Period.

With the boards properly defined in a manner that makes sense, and with the First Out BS out of the way, then the FIFO of the board will essentially be the same as dwell time, as people won't have to change boards very often at all. If they choose to change boards, they take their chances, but there should be no ambiguity as to where the board boundaries are (I cannot stress that enough). If they take a load that delivers in BFE they take their chances, and they should have negotiated a price that makes it worth taking a load to BFE and having to deadhead back to be at the bottom of a board.

Standard, common sense rules about expediting would still apply, like, board position notwithstanding, you could be jumped for a time-critical pickup for someone who is closer to the freight, or a Sprinter could jump an E-350 for tall freight, or an E-350 could jump a Sprinter because of heavy freight. And, all vans could be jumped because they gotta keep those straight truck teams rollin' and happy.

[OntarioVanMan]

Thank Goodness for being abit smaller...hope we never go to boards....they pretty much draw a 50 mile circle around us and thats where we sit. And as turtle said dwell time isn't the only factor when dispatching a load....Just another way to break a tie score.

[Fr8 Shaker]

Originally Posted by Turtle

You're assuming they'd return the 500 miles back. They wouldn't. They'd drop in Princeton, IN at 0700 on Friday morning and head home to Flint for the weekend. Then come back out Monday noon with their 3 days of dwell time in tow.

Fr8 Shaker;
As for myself I wouldn't drop at 7 a.m. and d/h to flint and if I did I would wait until the late afternoon anyway depending on board position and if I didn't go OOS or turn down any loads in the meantime the yes I'd have dwell time but I would also stay where I was at, being I'm more comfortable at home then sitting in a parking lot waiting on a load. And sometimes it takes quite a while to get out of flint.

Turtle;
Yeah, first, they have to get these boards straightened out, get them defined and organized in a manner that makes sense. The boundaries should be well defined and everyone should know precisely where they are.

Then, First Outs should be given for a mini, a dry run, being pulled from a load due for any reason out of your control (being held up at the shipper, consignee, the border, or some other unforeseen delay), for being forced to swap a load (cargo van) because someone in Dispatch can't use common sense and instead can't get 47 MPH out of their head and they think you don't have time to take a 5 hour break even though you do. I can't think of any other reasons for a First Out. A First Out should be given as a reward for a mini or for something else that happens that otherwise interferes with your earning potential.

Once given a First Out, you keep it until you accept the next load and then POD out with that load, unless you change your status to OOS. You can turn down as many loads as you like until you get one that suits you. Period.

With the boards properly defined in a manner that makes sense, and with the First Out BS out of the way, then the FIFO of the board will essentially be the same as dwell time, as people won't have to change boards very often at all. If they choose to change boards, they take their chances, but there should be no ambiguity as to where the board boundaries are (I cannot stress that enough). If they take a load that delivers in BFE they take their chances, and they should have negotiated a price that makes it worth taking a load to BFE and having to deadhead back to be at the bottom of a board.

Standard, common sense rules about expediting would still apply, like, board position notwithstanding, you could be jumped for a time-critical pickup for someone who is closer to the freight, or a Sprinter could jump an E-350 for tall freight, or an E-350 could jump a Sprinter because of heavy freight. And, all vans could be jumped because they gotta keep those straight truck teams rollin' and happy.

Fr8 Shaker;
Now were starting to get on the same page mostly. I agree about defining the boards. You cannot do it the way they suggest LOL. Keep checking your board position to see when it changes, because 1st of all you can only check it once an hour and 2nd once you see it has changed you lost your position. Duhhhhhhh.


As far as first outs go I think they should only be given for dry runs and cancelled runs. As far as minis go they should just pay more as I said it the other post ( dry runs ) speaking for vans only a mini should pay 100.00 and drivers would most likely take them I know I would, hell I'd do 2 or 3 a day if I could get them. But if you are given a 1st out then it should only be for the area/board that you were on. Not take it with you. reason being as an example, I delivered in Murfreesboro,Tn. on a thursday afternoon, after delivery I was 3rd out on a five a day board...5 a day at that time. I was hoping to get back out on friday but knew I might be there the weekend. As time went by, by late friday afternoon I had moved up to 1st out and remained first out all weekend, come monday morning I was 3rd out because 2 drivers with first outs moved into that board. then later I was moved up to 2nd out and by tuesday I was back to 3rd. finally got out tuesday afternoon.

Now get rid of the first out for favors and pay more for minis and I agree with everything else you suggest. Now just tell your driver representative to tell panther to make it so.

Sorry I don't know how you separate the different quotes.

[OntarioVanMan]

Under a 100 miles we sprinters get $100 plus fsc on the mileage and CV's get $75.00 plus fsc there are no first outs except on cancelled or dry runs.

[Fr8 Shaker]

thats the way it should be except vans should get 100.00 too. 1 skid at 100 #'s is still 1 skid at a 100 #'s But the main reason I say 100.00 is because this could be all you get for the day and even a mini could eat up to 3 hours of time if not possibably more.

[OntarioVanMan]

An energetic person could clean up in Michigan if they paid the 100 minimum run 2 or 3 a day and be home every night!!

[Fr8 Shaker]

You would think so but no. I tried 3 different times doing just minis and if I was lucky to get one I'd still sit. and when I was on minis only I was also offered everything but. Go figure. turned down a 400 + miler to Pa. told them minis only they said Oh ok but I had to take the next one an 800 miler to Ga.

[Turtle]

I can't disagree at all about paying $100 a pop for minis, as many of them can take a sizable chunk out of your day. One from Detroit to Windsor can take up 6 hours or more. I had one the other day that I went over and picked up in Windsor, was delayed 7 hours waiting for the thoroughly incompetent broker to clear the load, then delivered up in Port Huron. Nearly 10 hours shot for $50 and a First Out. Golly. I did get some detention, but detention pay at Panther is an insult.

I also agree, absolutely, that a First Out should be for that board only, you can't take it with you. If the boards were properly defined, you wouldn't need to, anyway.

[TwoMotherTrkrs]

Okay, Fellas, if you pay Sprinters and CVs $100 for minis, what do you propose a D unit get? And what if there is no 'hotspot' where you land with the load and you have to move? What do you do with your 'First Out' then?

[Turtle]

Well, a D unit would probably get something in the neighborhood of, what is it, $150, $200? Something like that. As for the no-hotspot and first out, if they pay $100 for a mini, you get no First Out. That's what the extra money is for. (Currently, it's $50 plus a First Out for a cargo van). If a D unit got paid the extra, they get no First Out, either.

[davekc]

With the boards properly defined in a manner that makes sense, and with the First Out BS out of the way, then the FIFO of the board will essentially be the same as dwell time, as people won't have to change boards very often at all. If they choose to change boards, they take their chances, but there should be no ambiguity as to where the board boundaries are (I cannot stress that enough). If they take a load that delivers in BFE they take their chances, and they should have negotiated a price that makes it worth taking a load to BFE and having to deadhead back to be at the bottom of a board.

Standard, common sense rules about expediting would still apply, like, board position notwithstanding, you could be jumped for a time-critical pickup for someone who is closer to the freight, or a Sprinter could jump an E-350 for tall freight, or an E-350 could jump a Sprinter because of heavy freight. And, all vans could be jumped because they gotta keep those straight truck teams rollin' and happy.



I agree on defining the boards and eliminating foolish ones like 20 boards in Louisiana and such.

Don't agree on the first outs and moving with current board system. Many boards don't have parking and a driver shouldn't lose his first out for a mini because he is going to a truck stop.
If they stop doing ones for 1500 mile runs, then I don't think you will see that as much of a problem.
As far as dwell time, that should be applied, but only to that specific board. If you move to another board, you lose it.

[jwc]

don't understand the complaning
where else can you make between $1500 to $3000 a week driving someone elses truck
be avable when you want to be pick and choise you loads
is panther perfic no no no
but every change i see coming into efect seems to be for nose pickers and lazy drivers
changes that need to come in are
better directions
giving us avablty to know where outher trucks are at
and alowing drivers to see a fleet owners stats as to/ payment of emploies/truck mantiance/and how many drivers they are going through

[Jonlar]

First off I don't I drive for P2 , but what if they tell you to stay in a bfe express center. Then like a good driver you do and get nothing for it when they finally tell you its a good time to move to a better board should you not get something for doing what you were told like a first out, or letting you dwell time follow you ? Keeping mind it was and was not the drivers decision to sit there but perhaps disp is at fault here to ?

[rdtrpn]

Originally Posted by Fr8 Shaker

The longest dwell time would be the fairest way to go. scenario; You delivered a 300 mile load out to BFE, after delivery you sat 2 days waiting on another load which never came so you decide to go to another board, lets say Memphis and D/H 250 miles to get there. another driver delivers a 1100 mile load in Memphis but arrived lets say 8 hours before you did. another load comes up coming out of Memphis going 700 miles and it is offered to the driver that just got done with the 1100 miler because he got on that board before you did. By tomorrow he has 1800 miles in for 2 days running and you have 300 miles in for 4 days. Guess you should have asked for a first out. ( see other post. )

Dwell time would be the fairest way, but if it isn't benificial to panther it isn't going to happen.

I agree you sit in basically the same area and do a small load so you don't starve and then have to wait a long time again. Its not good.