[Broompilot]

Mich. Has it right!

The answer is SHORT DISTANCES, the exact mileage cold come under a microscope. So I would keep it below 30 miles if in a populated area. So I have been informed.

Yes it is OK to go to Walmart and than Bob Evans, but not accross two counties.

I did this all of the time and never recieved a warning, than again short distances, even took the truck to another small town while in Youngstown to put myself on a bike path one Sunday rode all the way up to Lake Erie and back and than drove back to the Pilot for a shower, after the ride.

[jaminjim]

Dang Broom, I did not know a truck would fit on a bike path.

[michdpm]

WOW !

This proves my theroy. If you ask four truck drivers what time it is, you will get five different answers.

FMCSR are the minimum standards. No state can pass a law changing the
HOS, but a company can enforce stricter rules. If a company makes you
log ALL movement then they are not allowing you off-duty prevledges.
Some companies will make you sign a form that states that off-duty
time is just that, not company time.

Insurance companies dictate more of the industry than drivers realize.
It is a risk management. If a company has a "problem" then the companies insurance company will "advise" them to change their rules.
ie: All truck movement will be logged.

If a company has a good standing with their insurance carrier then they will let things slide.
ie: You do not have to log going to Wally World in your truck.

Hope this brushes some of the mud off the question.

PS: I was present at a lecture given by two Federal DOT officers about log issues. They got into an argument themselves about the
split-sleeper rule. Makes me proud of our government agencies.
Keep this in mind when you think about national health-care.

KeepOnTrucking !

[nobb4u]

And all this discussion just goes to prove what an old trucker told me when I started driving 25 years ago.."You need a frigging lawyer to ride with you".

When I started driving I read an article that stated to drive in all 48 states you need to know 75,000 laws that effected truck drivers. I can only imagine how high that number is now. Because back then at least truckers still got respect for the kind of job they did.

[bambam]

Im not sure if it is legal but my dispatchers told me anything within 100 miles of the home office you do not have to log it i have run from cleveland ackron and never loged it for truck repairs then after i deliver if i have to go to the store i never log it even if i have to drive 20 miles one way cause i always endup back where i started i would like to know ifi shouldbe logging or if it is ok ive here both cause we run paper logs

god bless and keep rolling

[jaminjim]

you need to read the 100 air mile rule.

[jasonsprouse]

Also keep in mind that air miles are not the same as land miles. (100 air miles is 115.08 "statute" miles. See http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/r...s/hos-faqs.pdf). And that it is a radius (straight line), not driven miles.

Although even using the air mile rule you STILL have to track your working hours, just not in a traditional log book.

I also suspect the DOT would not be keen on you bouncing between air miles rules and conventional logging.

[RLENT]

I also suspect the DOT would not be keen on you bouncing
between air miles rules and conventional logging.

Check out the FAQ on the site - I believe it is permitted.

[nightcreacher]

bam that isnt true dont get cought

[Crazynuff]

>Im not sure if it is legal but my dispatchers told me
>anything within 100 miles of the home office you do not have
>to log it i have run from cleveland ackron and never loged
>it for truck repairs then after i deliver if i have to go to
>the store i never log it even if i have to drive 20 miles
>one way cause i always endup back where i started i would
>like to know ifi shouldbe logging or if it is ok ive here
>both cause we run paper logs
>
>god bless and keep rolling
And then you get a run beyond 100 miles and you need to log the previous 7 days . 100 mile runs are NOT off duty . Since you know a run requiring logging is coming up it's much simpler to log the short runs while doing them .

[jaminjim]

I have run local and over the road during the same week, it's not that big of a deal. The key is that you have to run within your 100 air miles of your TERMINAL. Few expedite companys have a TERMINAL. So most expedite drivers can not use the 100 air mile rule. It has nothing to do with where the office is.

[bamamule]

i thought 100 mile rule only aplys to local drivers not to over the road drivers
and they have to still follow the 11/14/10 hr rules
and i also thought that states can have more stricter rules than dot but not more leanuat
but i'm an uneducated redneck so i probley got it wrong

[jaminjim]

It pretty much does apply only to local drivers. But a company like EGL that has the hot 500 miler twice a week, those drivers can use it.

[michdpm]

Another rule that is in the gray area.

"100 air-radius mile rule" HAS to satisfy ALL 3 things in the rule.

1)Cannot leave a 100 mile "circle" around home terminal.

2)Must be BACK and off duty at the home terminal within 12 hours

3)Must have 10 hours off duty before reporting to the home terminal.

All these, plus you must log your hours either with a log sheet or a
time sheet or card.

In the realm of safety, why not just use your log book? That would
take care of everything.

Plus if you haul a load it HAS to be documented for DOT.

Going to truck repair, motel, etc. does not fall in the 100 mile rule.

Try again!!

[Broompilot]

Keep it up Bam, you will learn after you get pulled over. People your gona go 100 miles without logging, you better pull every decal off that truck and put up wood grain to make it look like a station wagon. The DOT will never accept what Bam just described, accross town yes accross the State (100 miles) is just asking for a ticket.

Most likely you will escape, the cops. Most of the time, but there is always that one time. I would not chance it, I DO NOT CHANCE IT.
Keep those log books current ALL OF THE TIME, it has always worked for me NEVER HAVE I RECIEVED A LOG VIOLATION. This is not bragging just solid advice a good driver gave me.

Example July 4th I 26 between Columbia and I-95 rolling SC H.E.F. out doing spot DOTs. No I did not get choosen BUT SOMEONE DID.. Think for a minute they would suspect the HEF to be out patrolling on July 4th at noon? I sure didn't but my logs were current I wonder if the big truck pulled over did also? There is always a chance.