[theoldprof]

The only thing I remember in Panther orientation was to cover your DOT numbers when hauling personal stuff like building supplies, etc. If Officer Friendly stopped you, he could ask for your shipping papers for the water heater for instance. I'm not sure if Home Depot receipts are shipping papers or not, but I had magnetic strips I used to cover my DOT numbers on my van.

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[jaminjim]

I don't want to argue about this. I will admit to not being an expert on logs, only been logging for five or six years, and only been dot'd maybe ten times,and have always used my truck as a personal conveyance and never had a log book violation, never. Have been asked questions about the personal conveyance on the page, and gave the proper answer. and was sent on my way. Just the same as when I would grab my laptop when I needed to bring in my logbook six years ago, when they would say that it was not compliant,I would POLITLEY(sp) explain (with DOT memo in hand) that it is legal. I guess it is how you persent yourself.

PS EGL even thought I was wrong. So I guess they were bored one day and sent it up to the log book guy in the sky. He said it could be done. Unless it's against company policy.

[jaminjim]

But I do know The Rules Of Golf

[RichM]

JIM you told me today that youe were a slow typist,looks like you did ok on this subject. I enjoyed talking to you and your wife today. Take care.

[nightcreacher]

my understanding,if you are empty and cover your door signs,your truck can be used as personal vehicle,but fed exs safety dept says im all wet happy 4th

[easyrider2697]

>Sometimes it depends on your carrier. We have gotten
>numerous violations for running the truck to the shop for
>repairs near home when off duty. Then we tried logging just
>who drove the truck to the shop and got violations on the
>other driver not logging on duty not driving. I have figured
>out if you pull the fuse on the QC then you don't have to
>log miles because the satellite can't see your truck to
>track your every movement. Haven't needed to use it yet
>though. Panther uses the QC like a black box already.


2 things here that need to be noted

1. If you were taking truck to the shop, that is on duty driving to the shop and if you wait for it then its on-duty not driving. It was work related so therefore it needs to be logged


2. PANTHER does not allow you to use your own commercial vehicle for personal conveyance under no circumstances......just call and ask safty. (I do not agree with that but its their rules, and they write my check, so I have to follow their rules)

Oh yea btw pulling the fuse will not help, when you plug it back in it will recognize the milage difference on the ECM and back log you, then, you have chanced having your contracts pulled for altereing the qc.

[pelicn]

Riverrat, that's the link I was looking for, thanks for posting it.
Our previous company allowed us to log off duty when we used the tractor to go get food. etc. as long as we were not loaded. While with Panther, safety said anytime the truck moved, it was drive time. Once again, it seems, HOS rules are clear as mud, and company policy is what we go by.

[fortwayne]

10 and 14 - period.
log when you move - period.
it might not be right, it might not be fair , but it sure the heck will keep you legal.
KABOOOOOOOOOM.

Fort Wayne
Support P.E.T.A. (People Eating Tasty Animals)

[TeamCaffee]

If you are using an EOBR with the Qualcomm do you have to log in and what happens if you do not? I am under the impression that if you do not log in the truck is just actually logging the miles. Those of you that are using this what do you do if the mechanic takes your truck for a test drive?

[riverrat2000]

Ok, I got so interested and since i had plenty of time I called fmcsa in Washington and talked to them about it, as stated this rule is as clear as mud, at first he said that the rule was set up for company drivers but after we discussed it and supplying a few examples is conclusion was that if you are under no obligation IE, under a load,dispatched on a load or directed by the company you are leased too it would be permissible to go a short distance to park in a safe place, get something to eat, go shopping ect. his idea was no more than a 20 mile radius. Now having said that i ask him to mail me something to prove to my company that the personal conveyance would be acceptable that is where things went south, he said he was unwilling to do that and then suggested that i write a request to the head of fmcsa asking for clarification of the rule. needless to say that was frustrating. Well I have done part of it but don't feel up too writing out a request to find out, how about someone here that is better at writing things like this giving it a try, from my understanding the question and answer will appear somewhere in the fmcsa website, so heres your chance for some fame, or notoriety lol

[pelicn]

We were, and will be again, on electronic logs with Panther. When we had service done on the truck as soon as it was taken into the building the signal dropped and placed us on line 4. I don't know if it applies to all EOBR's, but with ours, line 3 was not able to be edited. Everything else could be edited. As far as a mechanic driving, it counted against the person logged on as the driver. When the truck moved it detected it and there was no way to determine if it was us or the mechanic. I guess you might be able to fight it if you were stopped by having documentation that showed the truck was being serviced, but we were never under such a time constraint that we would have needed to have those few minutes available.

[maybe_driving]

if you go to OOIDA and look in their log form they have the personal use ? there


WWW.Packing.org
ooida#811397

[slfisher45]

One reoccuring theme is when the wheels are turning the driver needs to be logging. That is the way to be legal.
A commercial vehicle has DOT numbers on the doors. It has commercial plates (tags) on the vehicle. None of these required identification numbers are supplied by any companies that we drive for. The companies we drive for may have their rules for drivers but none can supercede federal or state regulations.
I log every thing I do while I'm driving my truck, laden or not. Panther doesn't care if I use my truck for personal conveyance. They don't have a say in that. What they have control of is my compliance with hos rules. If I drive my truck to a drive-in movie, it is up to me, but I have to log drive time and fuel time on line 3 and 4 respectfully.
When hauling personal freight one has to cover all the numbers with "Not for hire" signs and a sign on the dash too.

[jaminjim]

And if you drive it to the dive-in and sit in the drivers seat to watch the movie, you must log it on line three. On the other hand, if you went to the drive-in for the same reasons that I did as a teenager, you would log it as sleeper birth.

[x06col]

There ya go Jim. Now we are getting to the serious stuff. You know, personal time, family stuff, socializing, and such. Make this expediting fun y'all.