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Originally Posted by arkjarhead
Greg I wish you would quit referring to Obama as the "Messiah". I don't know your religious background and it doesn't really matter, but I'm a Christian and I find it offensive for you to call a normal human by my Lord's name. See Jesus was no politican or normal man he was God in the flesh.
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Well Joe, and a few others, the word Messiah and the word Savior does not referring to Jesus exclusively but an interpretation from some of the people as it only means Jesus. If you are offended, well I can’t apologize because there are things that others do in the religion that offends me a lot and one is using religion to promote hate for the purpose of expanding power or subjugating people - something that the religion needs to address within itself.
The word Messiah is from a Hebrew word which means the anointed one as does the word Savior which also has a dual meaning of one who saves.
The issue for me and many others who use the word in the proper context is that many people look upon Obama as the one who “is going to save us from d*mnation of the bush era”, in other words they are preparing themselves for the Messiahs ascension to power. I didn’t put the religion spin on it, it came from people who feel that he will be ruinous for the country.
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Originally Posted by arkjarhead
Plus I've read your post numerous times and still don't see where you are going with this. I think we are fighting against some ruthless people, but I think we are doing some ruthless things as well. You bring up Gitmo. Those people aren't getting trials. That's pretty jacked up. Even the head Nazis got trials. How do we know none of those people are innocent. It is very possible. Watch the movie "Road to Guantanamo Bay". It shows some British Muslims of Pakastani descent and how one travels to Pakastan and his friends come later for him to be married. To make a long story short they decide to travel to Afgan to do some relief work and get arrested by the Northern Alliance and turned over to the US. The go to Gitmo. They were there for over a year before being released. They were innocent. That's jacked up. They were doing relief work and it cost them over 2 years in confinment from the time they first arrested until they were released. That's jacked up. If the war in Iraq has been fought for nothing else than to free the Iraqi people from the control of Saddam Huessien it was a good thing to fight for. Only time will tell. I just don't buy into the fact that it was for oil. If that were the cause Venezuela would have been easier to conquer if you ask me.
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Well Ark, my take on things is not the idea that we need to be nice and above what others do. This is about survival and the safety of our people, not of the people in some other country who care about their safety. We have had almost 40 years of seeing what Israel and other countries have endured, we have had several terrorist attacks within our own country but we still don’t get it.
There were a lot of trials with the Nazis, the top people were only the ones who were in the public’s eye but there were a lot of executions going into the 50’s and even the 60’s. I feel that the people in Gitmo should get the same exact trial that some of the lower Nazi officials got, with the same planned outcome. I honestly don’t care about Gitmo, it is not an issue for me and most of the country except when they have the same rights as we do, and that is the fault of our congress who, like Obama is selling us out. ALL I CARE ABOUT IS PROTECTING THIS COUNTRY and if that means we have to be dirty about it, well they have my approval to do what ever is needed to protect everyone here.
We fought a war in Iraq for a few reasons, one was Oil, one was to liberate the people, one was to follow the mandate of the UN, one was to follow the policy of the previous administration and the last major reason was to have a presents there outside of Qatar and Saudi Arabia. If you like your way of life right now, the war has been one of things that helps prevent escalation of other issues with Iran. People think that Saddam prevent Iran from doing anything but fact is that he was too weak to deal with Iran. Venezuela would not be an easier job, we would have engulfed South America into the conflict because of the strong presents of the communist and left leaning guerilla organizations. Venezuela will implode sometime in the future but we can speed the process up if we have a strong economy.
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Originally Posted by tallcal101
Ever Clear is an available handle to all those who wish to put the last 8 years of bleak and ever sinister corrupt and meaningless baffonery behind us. Once again have the courage to become proud of our country and it's potential. It's not all going to be rose's,but it will be an opportunity to put this train on a track that has straight and well forged rails instead of a figure eight that has us all thinking of 8 8 8 8 8.
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Well Tallcal, I am trying to figure out where you were during Clinton’s administration, those 8 years were also had some really sinister corruption and meaningless buffoonery involved. Should there be a reminder of some of it?
Yep once again have the courage to become proud but not with a man who is groomed in such a way that his falseness cracks and can’t be consistent or even clear on what makes America great.
Honestly Andy, the one thing that amazes me is you know that this guy is bad for us, McCain is not far behind but I can't bring myself to put the country on the path of a train wreck. Sure we can lay straight tracks but we will put two trains heading towards each other on the same track with Obama. I am starting to think you don’t want to see the country prosper but tank.
T-Hawk,
The Nazis were tried under the Declaration of the Four Nations on General Security and under the denazification plans. Churchill was against trying the lower ranking officers but he was replaced right after the war and the allies were hell-bent on revenge. Unlike today where people jump on the Geneva Convention, there are agreements and laws that supersede the convention that are ignored now out of convenience. The convention was ignored by the allies after the war because it was outdated. For example the Red Cross could not get anyone to bring the allies to task for the inhuman treatment of the common German solider who died by the thousands in POW camps throughout Europe because of a lack of food and basic shelter. This was solved in the 1948 version of the convention and if we knew what we had to deal with 54 years later, Truman would have refused to have the convention ratified.